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Jerry Stocking
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00:01
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Hi there.
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Hi. Hi.
00:04
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Oops.
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Okay. The show's over. Now we can begin.
00:13
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So I'm down here leading a course. We have 13 women and one man in a course. It kinda matches what we have here tonight, I think.
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A course called the illusion conclusion course. It goes on a Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday, Friday, and Saturday.
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And the offer of this course is to tear you apart in the nicest of ways so that you can find out who in the world you are,
00:49
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to get rid of all kinds of baggage. So this isn't Tony Robbins teaching you how to get exactly what you want in your life. This is about less rather than about more.
01:05
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I'll tell you a little bit about me to start and then I'd like to make myself available to you in any way that I can.
01:13
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Perhaps in the introduction you'll get some idea of how to use me.
01:20
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I have a background in psychology and philosophy. I've done a lot of different occupations. And
01:31
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about my daughter's first birthday, she's 10 now.
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I was a broker with Shearson Lehman Brothers wearing my three piece suit in and breaking company records all over the place and spending far more money than I was making, although I was making a lot. I said this does not fit for me anymore. I need to be with my daughter. So at that point, much to my chagrin, and it was, I created a rule we now operate on, which is if you're gonna quit what you're doing, you have to make sure that you have no idea what you're gonna do next.
02:18
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Because if you plan what you're gonna do next while you're still where you are, it will be infected by it.
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So I quit. And within about three months, I moved to Northern Wisconsin with my wife and my one year old daughter and lived there for the next nine years without anything that people might call an occupation, Without television, without newspapers, without any sort of diversion whatsoever, I exited the culture. Not in reaction to the culture, not to get away from it. It just seemed the appropriate thing to do.
03:07
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Four years later, we had a son. So now my daughter and my son were being raised with two full time parents.
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Turns out it works out rather nicely with two full time parents. About a year after I went to the woods, I started to write a book and I wrote one of the most horrible books ever written
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and threw it away
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and then started to write another one. I was trained not only in psychology and philosophy but also in neuro linguistic programming and that's the sort of stuff I was weaving into the book. And after about a year, I came out with my first book. It's thinking clearly. You'll see it back here. And had quite an experience when the semi truck pulled up at the end of the driveway with 3,000 books in it. Because writing a book is one thing and knowing where to put
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them once you've written them is something else.
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And we started mailing to people and letting people know it was available. We ended up with books all over the place.
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And I kept writing. I have now completed five books, moved out of the woods where we've moved down to Northern Georgia. We've got 23 acres there, some rolling hills and the kids still have two full time parents except sometimes I go out and travel and talk to people now.
04:51
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Something I discovered how many of you are familiar with neuro linguistic programming? Okay.
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It's used very effectively by therapists. It's used to clear up all sorts of problems. It's about how we think.
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And what I did is I said rather than trying to fix myself with it, I'm going to demolish myself with it. And after a number of years of doing that, I had used that technology to sell to people
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but then I focused it on me. And at a certain point, no thoughts occurred in my head without me taking them apart as they occurred. And a magical thing happened, magical to me anyway.
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Eight years ago on February 17, the voice in my head stopped
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and silence has reigned now for eight years.
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There is no voice in there. There is nothing that needs to go on in there ever.
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Meditation has become a way of life. Prior to that February 17, I thought that meditation was a tremendously good idea and of great value for people and if I tried to do it, I was driving myself crazy while I was doing it. Thoughts were going around and I think of what I hadn't done or could do or all kinds of stuff like that.
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Trying to do it didn't work. As of February 17, eight years ago, it became just plain a way of life.
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From then I've become very curious how other people can have that sort of settledness, that sort of quietness in there and explored whether NLP and numerous other things that I've done really can provide the sort of tools to have that come about for people.
07:12
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We've discovered that it can and that people do workshops and they quiet at least temporarily or have a number of experiences of it. And we've had one person have happened to them. So we now have two who aren't continually having to live in the stimulus response world.
07:38
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I discovered a lot about this culture by being outside of it. So if tonight I can provide you anything as far as a view on your culture, if I can answer any questions regarding anything, I would be delighted to do so. I'd also be certainly willing to give you an exercise or two which will make life easier for you, little tiny things that you can practice. One of the things that I learned is you never can really work on what you're working on. You have to work on something much smaller. So we'll give you a couple little tiny exercises that you can work on that way.
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But I wanna know what you're up to so that I can find out how in the world I could possibly be of assistance to you.
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Talk to me.
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In other words, what questions have you got regarding anything?
08:42
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That's a rather arrogant statement to make, but let's find out what happens.
08:48
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Yeah.
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I had the opportunity to study with Jerry in Atlanta, and it was wonderful. And it did make a huge change in my life, or it allowed me to make a huge change in my life. One of the things that I found fascinating that I was really hoping you would talk a a little bit about, Jerry, is the different eye patterns of how we access different things in our life because I found that to be very beneficial for me. And I know you can't really go into a whole lot of it, but just a little bit might give give some tools and and maybe get started with where some of the things they can ask you about.
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Sure.
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Put your eyes up, please. Just very simply put them up and see a picture of something,
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anything at all.
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And then see another picture
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and then another and another. And then let the pictures run so rapidly that you can't do anything particular with them. Just let them run.
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Don't try to control them at all. Just let them go by.
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Don't even need to know what's in them.
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And then put your eyes down into your left
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and listen inside your head.
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Find out if there are any conversations in there or any sounds in there.
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And you can let them go too so that they can go as rapidly as they happen to.
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And then put your eyes down onto your right and do a very short inventory of your body.
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How's your body?
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Strictly feelings, physical sensations.
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And then just let your eyes go wherever they do for about five seconds.
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The playground of the illusion conclusion or IC course
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is defined by how rapidly we can go and how entirely confused people can get and yet still learn. And to further this, what we've done is we record all of the courses and provide the tapes. It's generally between twenty four and twenty seven hours of tapes to the participants. We have people who have listened to all the the course at least 10 times. And then we made a little strange jump which was we started making the course tapes to be available to people who haven't done the course.
12:38
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A little story on that was there was a professional bowler out in Utah who bought the course tapes. He called up and he said, got these tapes. I can't make any sense of it. It it just doesn't it makes no sense to me. I wanna send them back.
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And he spoke to Karen, and Karen said, how much have you listened to? He said, I've listened to almost half of one tape.
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She
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said, we'll take we'll give you your money back. I'd rather you listen to a little bit more first, but we'll certainly give you your money back. He said, I'll listen to a little bit more. He called two months later, and he had listened to the tapes five times all the way through. It had influenced his bowling drastically in a positive direction. And he came up with an incredible little exercise which is based on what I just did with you but now we'll teach you the little exercise. And he does this 50 times a day on average and it takes five to eight seconds. And it will seem like it wouldn't do anything and it will influence every single aspect of your life. It will lighten it up. It can't do otherwise. What you do is make put your eyes up
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and make some sort of a picture then put your eyes down here and hear some sort of a sound on the outside. It's got to be an external sound. And then go down to your right and just sort of let some sort of your body part of your body know that it's there and then close your eyes for four or five seconds.
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That's it.
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What this does is it entirely interrupts the way that you were thinking. And when you entirely interrupt the way that you were thinking, you won't end up necessarily where you were going. You may end up any number of places.
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Now you don't have to do the pictures first, sound second, and feelings third. You can do that in any order you do it in and it still works. Just find out which order you do it in. That little tiny exercise will have you have far more resources in any problem that shows up. It will speed up your thinking immensely and make you smarter. And it would seem like it can't do that and we've played with it enough now that we've discovered that it does.
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There's only so much arranging you can do on a house once it's built. But in the process of building and that's what we get back to here in the process of building the thoughts, it's how you build them that determines what you end up with and that's a way of getting back. Try that a number of times a day and you will discover that all sorts of stuff lightens up for you
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primarily because there are three main ways that you process information which is sounds and feelings and pictures. And which of those three you're attending to will not influence your behaviors but it will influence your stories about your behaviors. And if you can start to pay attention to all of them, you will start to understand what's going on rather than just a little tiny portion of what's going on. So we'll just expand your thinking.
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Other questions about anything? What are you up to?
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I have a question. Yeah.
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I find that I I find doing this. Will this help me?
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Now one of the things one of the ways to use this is watch her because she's gonna do particular patterns in order to ask her question and she's gonna tell you an awful lot about herself and how she thinks not by the content of her questions but by the process that she undergoes to come up with the question. There she goes. Watch it. This may seem a little impolite. This is for the opportunity for you to learn a little bit of this here, not theoretically but practically. So keep an eye on her.
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I find it very hard to let go, to just relax, unwind.
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I'm always thinking your head or worrying about what's going to get done or how it's going to get done. And even trying to go to sleep at night, I feel like my mind is always going trying to keep up with things. What exercise, what could I do to learn to relax and let go a little bit?
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Couple of things. This little exercise will have you have much smaller pieces that you have to process. So that alone will make it easier because it won't all be a massive things that you have to do. As far as preparation for the future, the only possible preparation you can do for the future is to be in the moment since that's what sets it up.
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The a little bit of a confusing piece is that if you're trying to get ready for the future, you don't currently have the resources that you will have.
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So it's a ridiculous enterprise to try and get ready because you aren't who you will be. So it makes very little sense. What you do in particular is you go down into your conversations and attempt to prepare. You go down here. She goes up and makes a picture. No problem has occurred yet and then she goes down here and says something about it. It's the saying something about it that causes you a problem. If
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here's just a little funny one. Okay? Mhmm. You got anything coming up that's a big deal for you? Watch her. Anything coming up that's a big deal for you? Yeah.
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I have an appointment coming up.
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That's pretty good. Now did you watch her do just exactly what I just told you she does? She went up here and she went down there. She's leaving out something. She's hitting two of the three. She's not going down and checking out her body in the process. So if when the going is not tough, you need to practice in the spaces in between. When there's a storm up, you need to weather the storm. But you try and trump the storm up even when there isn't one before it ever gets there. Your body knows better. So this time go up there, go up and then go down there and then go over there and check your body. If you do that, oh, I don't know 15 or 20 times a day which isn't a lot that it take you maybe twenty seconds, not each time, twenty seconds total, you're gonna start to run the routine you normally do which gets you upset and you'll find yourself just going there.
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And what that does is it brings you back to your present, the presence. Your body is your friend. Your conversations in your head and the pictures in your head are not necessarily but your body is what will get you here. And in those situations that you're trying to prepare for, your body will be there when it's there and it may as well be here when it's here. So what that will do is ground you.
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It won't hurt you at all to ground like that and you will find that when you're here, you're prepared for there. And when you're looking there, you mishear. And the more you practice that, the less you will be in the present.
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And the less that you're in the present, the more if you ever get anywhere near it, you're behind when you get there. So the process that you're doing to try and catch up is getting you behind,
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which is not that unusual. Think of a dog chasing its tail. That's what's happening. That's what getting ready will do for you. You get chasing your tail and other things don't get done because you're trying to prepare for what's going to happen. So add in just that tiny little thing. You don't have to do it all the time, just do it occasionally. It's amazing how little attention you need to give to your body for your body to entirely take care of you. And we are for the most part a bodiless culture.
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We're a bunch of heads driving ourselves crazy and this is a way that you can give yourself very simply give yourself a little tiny reference. Get down there and check it out.
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That will be sufficient. There are lots of other ways but that'll do for that'll start the ball rolling for you. You're welcome.
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Who else? What else? Anything about anything?
22:45
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Hi. I feel like the doors are closing in Houston for me. I have incredible experience in retail and keep going on interviews. Nothing opens up. And yesterday,
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I pushed the buzzer to get into my Jeep, which unlocks the doors, and it wouldn't work. I was standing a foot from it. Then I go to my condo, put the keys in, and turn the lock, like, two or three times, couldn't get in. Then I come home at late at night, and someone was in my parking space, which I've lived there for eleven years.
23:24
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Then idea you're getting bushwhacked a little bit?
23:26
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Yes. And there's one song that I had, you know, had prayed and prayed about. I I was dealing with God. I said, okay, God. Well, if this song's on the radio, then I'll know my life's supposed to be about music. I And keep threatening to move to Nashville just because I love music and moved to I love the Cherokee National Forest, but my family's all here. And,
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you know, and then the song, I go and turn just turn the volume on the other morning, and the song is playing again. I get up at 01:00 at night, turn the TV on. Kenny Chesney is singing the song. And I'm going, okay, God. I hear you, but there's so much fear that I don't, you know, I don't know what's stopping me. Or maybe I do.
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Maybe I just said it. And
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I don't know if you have any suggestions as to how to get unstuck or more clearly hear my answers or hear the answers or what?
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I'm not sure how you could need them any louder.
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What do you want?
24:37
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I wanna promise that that that there'll be enough money to take care of me, you know, get it there and that. Yeah.
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You don't get that or you're not playing.
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Or I'm not
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what? You aren't playing if you get that. You want to eliminate the risk.
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Uh-huh.
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Forget it. It is the very risk of it that makes it interesting. It's the very risk of it that makes it worth doing. If you don't get that physical sensation in here, you're not alive.
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My suspicion is we have a basic philosophical assessment here on your part that it matters what you do
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which is really outrageous because it can't possibly matter what you do.
25:29
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What I do in what way?
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For occupation
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or where you live or any of that. It's just not relevant. And it seems so relevant, and I'm gonna give an answer not so unlike this. It's by making it relevant that you make yourself stupid in that area. Because once you make something so tremendously important,
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you get safe, you get you gotta be careful and careful isn't something you're here for. You're here to play. That's the game. I got a call from a hospital administrator who had been listening to our tapes from out in California and he said, I you know, these tapes are great and all this but the problem is my boss has moved to a different hospital a 150 miles away and he's offered me a whole lot of money to move there and I don't know if I should stay here or move there.
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Which should I do?
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You know, I'm just trying to figure it out and I can't figure it out. And my suggestion to him was
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that he entirely convince himself that he should move. He's got a family. He's got kids. He should entirely convince himself that he should move and find out how long that takes. Completely eliminate the idea of staying where he is and then entirely convince himself to stay where he is
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and find out how long that takes. And when he gets the length of time between these two down to about a second and a half,
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he will go to he will do whichever one he ought to do without ever thinking it out.
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And you know how he'll know which one he should do? Because he'll be there.
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But he will only do that if he gets those two down so short that he can do either one.
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As long as he has to do one or the other, he's in trouble. What happens then? Part of the model that we've developed that shows up in the books over and over and over again is that there is no choice.
28:16
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There can't be any choice and that's a very unpopular thing to say in this culture because all of you so totally abuse yourselves with the idea of choice that when you take away a stick that someone's used to beating themselves with, they don't like it. It's too familiar.
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It's much too familiar. What perceiving that there's a choice does is it puts so much burden on your thinking. Your thinking becomes so important that it just chokes you. It weighs you down and the people wander around like this thinking that their thinking is important and this will drive you crazy. Let me tell you. I don't know the purpose of thinking
29:09
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And this might relieve a little something there. Now look at her. Anything relieved over there?
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Just might be. What if it isn't important? Let me tell you the purpose of thinking which is entertainment.
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That's it. You've got parts of your brain that don't have to do with thinking at all that take care of everything else. And you've got this absolutely incredible evolutionary gift which is consciousness which allows you to create an illusion.
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You can create an illusion. You can sit right here and see your mother in your head, can't you? And I don't think any other species can do that. But then you also can forget that you made up the picture.
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And that's what happens when thinking takes a strange turn and becomes so important. You trust your own thinking.
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You live in Houston. Yes? And you may end up living in Nashville. And you can either do it the hard way, figuring it out and organizing everything and doing it by signs or by what which way the coin goes or which song is on the radio or all of this kind of stuff or you can do it by becoming the master of what's going on up here and then your body will just go where it ought to go and the degree to which that will influence how successful you are in Nashville.
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Now one of the things that came with the what happened to me eight years ago is I have no problem seeing where you'll go and if you'll go.
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And what you've got is incredible quantities of stuff in the way of that and it's so obvious.
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Take it easy
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and figure out exactly why you ought to go and convince yourself that you should. Notice the repetition of the arguments, the repetition of the data of the arguments for why you should go. What you've got set up now is you've got a boxing match in your head. I should go because of this. And then you go, oh, here's a new idea. I've only thought it a thousand times. I shouldn't go because my family's here. Forget the fact that no other species in the world pretends to stick with their families at the age that you are.
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When you can go back and forth so rapidly that you don't hold on to either one,
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this will be the place to be or that will be the place to be and you'll be there. You will.
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And using that to get there, you'll be successful. But if you use thinking to get there, you will wound yourself all the time up until you don't move or all the way up until you do move and you'll continue the model of using thinking to try and control the universe and it's too hard. It's too hard. Have these thoughts.
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And at a certain point, as you speed up how quickly these can come, you'll start to get all kinds of new thoughts.
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You will. And the new thoughts will be much more creative than the old ones. And if you then don't hold on to those new thoughts, you'll get even more new thoughts.
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And at some point you'll say, ah, I should go to Nashville or I should stay in Houston. And it won't be the external circumstances that determine it. It will have nothing to do with the song on the radio. Sorry, James Redfield, but it won't.
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You will become the synchronicity rather than responding to them.
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So get down to the point where you can very, very quickly have complete preference for one and then complete preference for another because currently you don't have complete preference for either. You got one foot in and one foot out on both of them and that's no way to dance.
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It's too tough.
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You gotta figure out which foot's in and which foot's out and it just it doesn't work out very well. So I want you to get both feet in with one and then both feet in with the other and then speed up the length of time that you can go back and forth between the two and the whole thing will become irrelevant to you and you'll just know.
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Now that could be done in an hour, that could be done in a day, it could be done in a few weeks, we don't know. It all depends on your particular processing how long it'll take. But any more of this one foot in and one foot out will, you know, you're not in Houston now.
34:32
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Part of you is in Nashville and part of you is in Houston. And schizophrenia is not our next evolutionary step so I wouldn't bother.
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So get here.
34:45
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Okay? Thank you.
34:46
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You're welcome. That's a long answer. What else?
34:57
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Lately, what I've been realizing is when I was younger, I did more of what you're saying. I kinda just went with the flow. You know, just allowed things to happen to me, go with them, never really planned my day or planned anything, even school, everything. Just always went with the flow. And as the years went by, it seems like I got more attached to thinking or planning or and and it's almost like I wanna go back to how I was when I was younger, but I'm just struggling with it. Like, every day I'm struggling. Like, why can't I be how I was when I was younger, when I was happier, when I just allowed that to happen? And, I mean, is there anything that can help this transition? I mean, I'm I'm working on it, but yet my thinking self is always even criticizing me for not being able to do it.
35:42
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Oh, sure. It gets really good at that, doesn't it? You can't go back and you probably wouldn't want to if you could. You get to move ahead. How it works fairly simply and women have a tremendous edge on us on us men in this culture regarding this. That's why we're giving them Prozac to slow them up.
36:09
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I'm not but that's why we do. The cycle of life
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starts here and you're born and for about two years you play, given half a chance and you play and you play and you play at that point. Up until that point, your parents should be learning everything they possibly can from you because they've forgotten almost everything you have to teach them. And it's the other way around.
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Why did the child cross the road?
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Because that's where the daycare was.
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The parents should be with them learning.
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What then happens is this marvelous accumulation phase
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in which you're supposed to learn how to block almost everything. Learn how to hold on to all sorts of things, get really fancy cars, get really good at everything, sell more stocks and bonds than anybody in the world, do absolutely whatever you're doing, do the best. If it's raising kids, do it and be absolutely the best at it that there ever can be, then at a certain point,
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you're done. And then everything has to fall apart. Absolutely everything that you've put together has to fall apart. Now in this culture, we say that something's wrong if it does because this culture as a whole is stuck in this accumulation phase. We got women all over the place falling apart and we think there's something wrong with it and it's exactly what they ought to be doing. The men get stuck here, the women get out here and we say, they're depressed. They need some medication. Oh, they need some therapy. Oh, they need no. They need a place where they can fall apart without having incredible responsibility on themselves.
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What then happens is you fall apart and you let go of absolutely everything that you did. This is the stuff phase. Then you enter the holes phase.
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During the wholes phase, you can't hold on to anything. You get less and less and less. Every single ability that you've developed here falls away.
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And then when you get over to here,
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everything works. You've completed the cycle and from this point on, you are where you are heat were here but with the absolute incredible wisdom and connection with everything that you didn't know you had here. Now you know you have it, and for the rest of your life, you get to just strictly play in the world of process.
39:08
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Is there any estimated age for that company?
39:13
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And how do we handle The whole.
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Rajneesh entered here at about 21 years of age. I did eight years ago. Some people do with one minute remaining lying on their deathbed. And we have a tremendously retarded culture where people hit their adolescence somewhere usually in their seventies.
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So I can't tell you in particular when you will And what we're doing, what are the whole focus of our work, which I've been at for about twelve years now, the whole point of our work is to speed this up so that people get here sooner.
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If you resist falling apart or if you sit back here and resist being successful and being able, which you know people in both of these categories, you retard the process.
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Can you be in both of places at once? I
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don't think so, but you surely can be on the border. I've not run into anybody that's in both at once.
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And, yeah, you can.
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And that's your natural state is to be in both at once where it just all flows and nothing gets stuck. That's when all your thoughts move at a 187,000 miles per second or faster. It's called enlightenment. That's what enlightenment means. It's a 187,000 miles per second. You don't shoot any of them or stuff them or stick them on the wall or have some revelation that you're proud of or some compulsion that has you wash your hand every two minutes which is generally the sorts of things that happen here. And here you have no idea what's gonna happen unless you want to and then you have every idea what's gonna happen. And over here you try and make something in particular happen over and over and over again and you wonder how in the world it's possible that you aren't thrilled that it did, at least not for long.
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And it's because there was never any point to any of it. You're just furthering yourself along the cycle and if you try and stop to appreciate it, something else comes along
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to knock you off that. And all of this is done just to get you along on the cycle. It's not an accident.
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That's the blessing.
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The Nashville thing, if you are dependent upon your thinking, appears to be a curse because it just gives you nothing but trauma because, oh, there's a right decision and a wrong decision And I don't wanna make the wrong one and I do wanna make the right one. Well, there never was either one. Now there is when you're back here and you gotta make enough of the right ones so that then you start making only wrong ones.
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And then you make wrong ones and wrong ones and wrong ones, and we really need places places for people to go and stay when this is going on and be taken care of. Not many places yet.
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And
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there will be because there need to be. And most of the men are sufficiently retarded that they don't notice this even when it's there.
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Gosh. Darn it. That thirty eighth fancy car I could get really would make a difference. Although the thirty seventh, thirty sixth, thirty fifth, thirty fourth, 30 whatever. Never did. This one really will.
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And it turns out
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that this is really a simple thing to do.
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But first, you gotta not resist getting good at everything and then you gotta not resist getting bad at everything so you just get both tests. And once you've passed those, then you get to play.
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Estimated time of arrival when you do. And the fact is you're already there, only you don't perceive that you are. You're all enlightened. You can't help it. You never left the garden. You're still there.
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Only you focus this little bit and you don't notice that you're still there. Or you focus that little bit and you don't notice that you're still there. Does that answer your question? You gotta move ahead. If there are any areas that you're resisting being good at, get really good at them. If there are any areas that you're already really good at, be willing to let go of those and watch what happens. And what happens when you get over here into the play and the process of it, it's nothing like this because you know it.
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You have then used consciousness how it's meant to be used which is for entertainment. And every single thought you think from there, it's not an accident the gurus have these little smiles on their faces.
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It's impossible for anything to occur that's not absolutely humorous right down to the tiniest piece. And that's what you've got right in there.
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That's why we devised the illusion conclusion course to provide everybody in the course at least five or six experiences of that even if it's only for a second or two. To have that experience is to know that it's there then.
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Does that answer your question a little bit?
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What else?
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Anything about anything?
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We women
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are such planners as nurturers that so we go about our day that way naturally.
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When we Planning?
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Planning and organizing and we do that with our friends and our coworkers. We're always nurturing people and I think that that makes it very difficult for us even in a business situation sometimes because we naturally nurture people. And I think as we I
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don't understand the planning with nurturing.
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Well, we do.
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Confuses me because I think of a woman with a child. Mhmm. And what that child presents over and over again is an opportunity to drop absolutely anything that you planned
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and everything that you've planned.
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But but if you just have a child, if you have three, four, five, you have to plan.
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If you have to force them into the cultural model, that's true. If you don't have to force them into the cultural model, that's not true. And I know I'm speaking of a strange case here. We have a test tube going on. And what I'm telling you is from that test tube, one of the things that you referenced earlier is a span of attention. My children, one who's five and one who's 10, have no limitation of span of attention. They can attend to something as far as I can tell forever because they've never been forced into having to shift their attention. They've not been woken up by an alarm clock and been made to run here or go there or any of this stuff. And I know it's an odd case, but what the heck you've got an odd case here. Let's talk about how that turns out. And how that turns out at least at 10 years old so far because we've got a measure of it is spontaneity becomes the rule of absolutely every moment and planning falls to the side. Now if you have to interface with a culture that needs them here at this time and there at that time and here at the other time, yes, That's a tough game. It's a tremendously tough game and my statement is that is the role that has been thrust upon women.
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And I say figure out how to get out from under it. You have been oppressed for thousands of years.
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And what would happen if you didn't have to be? And that's what we're playing with. We're playing with it on a small scale, but we're moving it out to a larger scale. What if you didn't have to fit that darn square peg in that square hole at nine fifteen?
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My daughter looked at one of those things with all the thing with all the different shaped blocks and and she looked at it and she took off the filter thing and put the blocks in there and put the thing back on. And I thought, that might be how to solve that.
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And so what I'm saying isn't let's chuck it all, forget it, never make another appointment, never have anything to do with that. I'm suggesting that you alter how you perceive it and start to get curious about what would be possible if you didn't always have to play that way. It becomes habitual and at a certain point you say this is who I am.
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And my statement is that is not who you are. And in the woods, have learned that was not who you are.
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And there's nothing that will teach you more about yourself than doing nothing. Doing nothing, you will find out who you are. Doing something, you will find out what doing something is. And that's what I did in the woods for years is I did nothing.
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And so I didn't have that schedule thing and I don't doubt that the schedule thing is in most women, but what is truly the most nurturing is just to be there for someone,
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not to get them here, there, or wherever on time. And I do know that that's the cultural model for what's happening. And what I suggest to you is that hurts you every time you do it
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Well, I'm
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looking some small extent.
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To go buy that model. Then I have people
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You were late. Yeah. You were late. What are you doing coming late?
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Well, I mean, I came late.
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No. But I don't go by that model. But I have people getting mad at me all the time because I don't go by that model. I'm in the flow all the time and I feel great all the time and I like things to happen in synchronicity and just flow. And there are a lot of people around me who don't understand what that is. And so I find myself having to modify and compromise, but I find myself liking to spend more and more of my time by myself so I can be in spontaneity and flow and be a free spirit.
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Okay.
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So pair up for a minute. Would you please sit across from somebody else or just turn sort of to somebody else? Here's another little present for you to practice. Okay. Pick an a and a b.
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Bs b, you go first.
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You guys develop any expectations? Bs, you go first. Your job is to look a right in the eyes and tell them your absolute biggest problem in the world, your most difficult situation, intimacy would be a help here. The absolute most traumatic thing, maybe even something that you never would tell anyone and let it rip, but only use
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blah blah blah
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Let it rip using only that word, not even any conjunctions.
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Really let it go for about for a minute or two. Let it all out. Get it all out. And then the other person, you look right back at them and for about a minute or so, solve it using the same word.
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Your therapist now, solve it using the same word. Now you can go as far out as you want in this. I suggest you take advantage of the opportunity and really let it rip. Let them have how incredibly serious and traumatic this problem really is. Let them get it in their soul here tonight, brothers and sisters. Go.
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Oh, come on.
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What'd you notice?
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Pretty pretty serious stuff, isn't it?
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It's actually not
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too Of course.
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It's serious, but we can laugh about it.
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Sure can. But
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if we left content in, it might not be quite as light. Content is the words. Content is the structure that we force upon things which gets in the way of the flow. You force the structure on it and you, a creature of light, has to go within the structure. Light doesn't like structure. It stops.
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It doesn't work that way.
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One of the things I've learned as an author is that it's you who writes the story. Every single conversation in your head is you being an author and writing the story. How do you wanna write it? The same situation that would make you angry one day may make you sad another day and may humor you another day. You've discovered this, haven't you? Well, who decided which it was?
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Generally not you because it kind of already happens to you.
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So one of the things you gotta do is get back to smaller pieces and tinier building blocks which is where you set the whole thing up initially.
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The content of the words. How many of you are married? We got married people around or okay. Well,
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that goes without saying.
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So your spouse says they'll be there at 06:00 and you strangely enough get home and have dinner already and they show up at 07:30.
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What are you gonna say?
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Bean. Bean. Bean.
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Try it once.
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Blah blah blah blah blah blah
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And what you will discover among other things is it works better.
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One of the things is chances are much I
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know what you're saying.
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It is a much greater likelihood that they will show up on time next time than if you read them the riot act one more time because they're gonna wonder which word you're gonna use next time.
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So in that moment, have become unpredictable and chances are pretty good if they're late very often it is your predictability that makes them not need to show up on time.
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So what if things just kind of got stirred up and you didn't have to hold on even to the words the way that you did? And have you talked to yourselves in your head from time to time? You only say nice things. Right? The day is going great. God, I must look good tonight. Oh, this is that's the kind of things you say. Right? All the time. Because you've all bought all those tapes that make sure that that's the kind of things you say. Those ones on the infomercials. What
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kind of things do you say in your head?
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My suspicion is you have some repetitious things that you say.
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Try this tomorrow.
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Say the same things that you normally say cause I wouldn't want you to start editing your life too rapidly. It might turn out too wonderful too fast and then we might not get you to a course or you might not read one of my books.
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This evening might just shift everything. We wouldn't want that.
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Anybody in here can can do a good Mickey Mouse?
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The voice?
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Try it. Try it.
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Oh my god.
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Don't I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Try it.
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Mickey Mouse. I'm Mickey Mouse.
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Everybody try it. Say good evening in Mickey Mouse.
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Good evening.
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Gee. That's serious, isn't it?
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Oh, this will never work out. Oh, I can't do a thing with my hair. Oh, he hates me. Oh, I think I'll eat some worms.
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What if you change the voices in your head to Mickey Mouse's voice?
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That simple change would have you stop taking yourself so seriously. Next time you get upset, listen to what you're saying in your head but change the pitch.
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Any good salesperson knows that if you change the pitch, you might make a sale. Change the pitch.
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Oh, no. It's the worst day of my life.
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And then you end up smiling darn it all. Now in what way do you think that might affect the next moment?
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Any chance it could lighten up and be a little more fun and they might be a little more resourceful and the things might work out a little differently than they were going to? That's why Disney created Mickey Mouse.
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Well, maybe not.
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Any of you hear your mother's or father's voices in your head? Check it out.
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An awful lot of people hear their mothers or father voices in their heads. Who needs it? Shucks, call them if you wanna hear their voice. You don't need to carry it around with you. It's not that important.
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So try turning up the voice like that.
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You can even try it outside. Surprisingly enough, coworkers may not notice if they have their own point to make. If they're making their own point and you say, that's a good idea. Great. Good. Let's do it. Not
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that unusual. So tomorrow, try turning it up. Try that little exercise with pictures, sounds, and feelings. It looks surprisingly like this, doesn't it? Pictures, sounds, and feelings. Maybe that's where that came from.
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Maybe you've been sacrificing yourself sufficiently and you don't need to anymore. Maybe.
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Any other questions on anything? We're running out of time here, so ask what you got if you got it.
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Anything?
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Let's tell them about the books. Would you bring me up a copy of each and I'll Any
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of you read the book Conversations with God?
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Bestseller.
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Thanks. I wrote it a year before he did
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and that's this.
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It's called introduction to spiritual harmony. We have a reprint of it which I guess we don't have here tonight. It's called laughing with God
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and we did something unusual in it. We put a movie in it so we didn't have to wait for the movie to come out. We just put a flip movie in it.
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So it's got the movie attached to it. This is what the new cover looks like. This is my second book. Initially, I thought that we were gonna offend people all over the place by having a conversation between a person and God. We were going to call it conversations with God and we didn't.
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And it turns out that we have churches using this and having a person play the role of the human being on the altar and somebody down below on a PA system playing the role of God.
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I I never expected it. The purpose of the book is to have you let go of all kinds of stuff and lighten up, to laugh through it as you learn to take yourself not nearly so seriously. So that's that one.
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Thinking Clearly is an NLP ish based book and yet it doesn't say NLP anywhere in it. But it gives you specific exercises playing with the kinds of things that we talked about tonight for how to lighten up and loosen up and let things go. That's the first book I ever wrote.
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When I finally got the nerve to
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put out the Conversations with God like book picturing protesters at the end of our driveway. They never came. We had things prepared for them in case they did so we could give them something to eat, but they never did show up.
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Had the nerve to publish that one then this one showed up which is my first novel. It's called There Are No Accidents.
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I write rapidly. One of the things I've discovered is that when it's time to do something, takes almost no time to do it. And when it's not time to do it, you can do all kinds of stuff for ages and never get it done.
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Laughing with God took me five days to write, this one took me four because it was time And I'd come in and read a chapter to the family and they'd say, and then what happens? And I'd go out and another chapter would come. So that's the novel. The philosophy comes through in it but it is a novel.
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Then came the nastiest book I've ever written which is The Technology of Enlightenment and Enlightenment is Losing Your Mind. It's 352 pages of philosophy. It gets in specifically to what reality is, what enlightenment is, what consciousness is, what all of that stuff is. We have philosophy professors using this with their students in advanced courses.
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It's, to me anyway, very interesting. So if you're a tougher reader, this is the
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if you can't sleep,
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try it. It's better than medication. And strangely enough, it might keep your interest too.
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And my most recent book and this is the one that New York seems to be biting on is how to win by quitting.
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And this is really how to quit. I discovered that there's a taboo in this country which is don't ever quit. This is really nasty because among other things, it means you have to be very careful what you start since you can't quit.
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It means you have to be very careful what you start. It also produces a nation of addicts That's right. Which we have. It also produces a nation of slaves. The definition of slavery is you can't quit.
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And this book gives you specific ways to play with it and includes a whole lot of stories. Two years after I quit Shearson Lehman Brothers, I was still having nightmares about how in the world did I dare leave. I was the shining star in the office. I was the great hope. I was the producer. How could I walk away from that?
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The nightmares ended.
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And this book talks very specifically including lots of stories about how to quit, about how to let go, about how not to add importance at every step of your recipe. You put in a cup of flour and then you add some meaning. Then you put in a little salt and you say, oh, did I add the meaning? Let's make it a little more meaningful. And you end up with so much meaning at the end that you can't even move, you can't even function, you can't even think and then since that's the only experience you have, you call it life and it isn't life.
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Life is easy in light. That's all it ever is. So if you're playing around with decisions like that, this is a way to let go of it. One of the things I discovered is that the trick to letting go of anything is to move it back and forth between mandatory and optional. Back and forth and back and forth between mandatory and optional. You do the mandatory part to motivate yourself. You do the optional part to have yourself let go. If you lean on either one, you're in trouble. But if you go back and forth between the two,
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you match the universe which is kind of an off on off on switch.
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Like what would be an example of that?
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Of which?
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Mandatory and optional? Maybe just a hypothetical situation?
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Yes. Even in the everyday planning of the things.
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As soon as you think you have to go somewhere at 04:00, it loses its zest for you
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Right.
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Because you have to.
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So that's mandatory.
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If that's mandatory. If you can make that 04:00 optional by the way, that also locks you into the future, making it mandatory. If you can make it optional, I could take it or leave it, then all of a sudden it it has a little zest for you. Will I do it or won't I? I'm not sure.
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Well, won't I. I don't know. Yes. I have to.
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Yeah. The mandatory seems to cut off the life flow just
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It's it's like smashing yourself into a brick wall. And how much it's not in this book because it's been I came up with that more recently. You know the IQ test? Mhmm. We've come up with and it'll be in the reprint of this book, the QI instead of the IQ. It's the quitting index. It's the ratio that indicates how necessary quitting is for you.
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The mandatory will end your life
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even if you go on breathing and even if you go on living. The moment you perceive it as mandatory, you're done.
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And if you can play back and forth between mandatory and optional, that's really quitting.
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Quitting is I'm never doing it. Now if in the next minute you're doing it, guess what? So what? All
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of a sudden because this universe is flowing, you know that, really fast. And if you need to be in control, you gotta stop the whole thing so that you can figure out how it works. Well, it's not gonna stop for you, but that doesn't mean that you won't think it did. And that's where illusion comes in because you think it did. It never did. It isn't gonna. You know, we gave up that kind of idea with Columbus. It turns out that the universe does not revolve around you and you're the only steady point in it. I
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I hope that doesn't come as bad news to some of you.
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At least
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we're in
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Texas, though.
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But it I know. I I was thinking Texas, it's different.
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In Georgia, it doesn't. That's somewhere out around the perimeter. Texas, it may revolve around.
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But also optional and mandatory is just another way of saying the right choice or the wrong choice. I did the right thing. I did the wrong thing.
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It's anytime you split something into two, the universe is not two. The universe is whole. Anytime you split something into two, you now have to use your whole life to try and figure out which side of the line it's on.
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And instead of focusing on what's there anymore, you've gotta become the one who's putting it on the right side of the line and the wrong side of the line. It makes you nuts, doesn't it? And there you are. What if you didn't need to do that anymore? What if you could just appreciate the fact that it's going
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and it wouldn't even stop to feel great? It would be even better than that.
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It would just be. It would flow.
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And away it goes because that's what it's doing now anyway. We also have the tape set from the illusion conclusion course which is twenty four hours worth of tapes. You better be ready to listen and not understand what you're hearing and continue to listen and continue to listen and it will show up in your body first and then it'll show up in your thoughts. That's the way it works.
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It'll show up in your body first.
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Your body is the source of all accurate data regarding everything out here. And what will happen is there's a cybernetic principle which is that you must first behave in a reality before you can perceive in it. And what will happen here is this will have you start performing and doing much better, more accurate things out here. And then on one day you'll go, wow, life has gotten easier. But it will get easier first. It is your thoughts that always come along afterwards. This is a drug.
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This is a physical experience and the course is even more of one, much more of one. We cover it so fast that you can't hold on to anything and then the tapes provide that for you, but your body can learn that fast and it does.
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We did something that works. We set up the course. We made it expensive and inconvenient.
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And thus, when you're in the course, you will be with people who really wanna play.
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So we charge a thousand dollars for the five days and we have you space it out so that you get to go into your life and come back to the course and go into your life and come back to the course and really get the thing. And then we give you the tapes along with it so that you get to hear yourself how you were and find out how you are now. And the course works.
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Jerry, I just like to say that, since doing the course in October, I've had the opportunity to listen to the tapes, almost two times now. Getting close to the end. And I'm I'm understanding. I got a lot while I was sitting there. But sometimes I drift away, and I it would be beyond where I was at the time. And I I've gotten deeper into into understanding what happened in the room that I was sitting in through listening to the tapes. And there were times when I would come back, like, the third or fourth day I came back in, and I didn't know that I had changed so much during the and it it's it's in the second listening that I realized how much I had changed.
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Yeah. You get to see the growth.
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I I really got it.
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Yeah.
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So play with those two or three little things, the beans that we did tonight and the little practice thing. Remember that if you think you're working on something, you're messing it up. You have to go to a much smaller piece to work on it and the piece that you have to go to always has to do with the limitations in the way you're thinking.
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And very seldom do I meet someone who can interrupt that sufficiently on their own and that's what we offer to people is the interruption of it sufficiently so that you start to get glimpses of who you are.
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Right now if you got a glimpse of who you are, you would be absolutely shocked at how incredible you are. The universe is speaking all of the time and if you're speaking to yourself in your own head, you won't hear it. It won't interrupt you. It's that polite. And as it quiets down in here, you will start speaking the wisdom of the universe. It's that easy.
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And thanks for having me tonight. I appreciate it. Thanks for coming tonight and I give you the world from now on as your laboratory to go out and play in. It's mine to give and yours to take and yours to give and mine to take. It's yours. Have fun with it. Thanks.
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I met wonderful people. I played.
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I learned things about myself. And once the course was over, my whole life shifted. I became more creative. I had fun being with people. I was out meeting more people,
1:17:16
S1
and I got healthier, a lot healthier. My life has changed so much that I don't recognize myself.
1:17:26
S1
I don't do things the way I used to do them, and it's fun. It's exciting. It's an adventure, and it's an adventure that I don't want to end.
1:17:38
S8
About two years ago, I received a flyer in the mail from a Choice Experience. I threw it in the trash because I get so many flyers. When it came to how time to throw out the trash, I I rescued that particular flyer. I did this weekly for almost three months. And I decided I'm gonna read it. I read it over, and I liked what it said. It said something about developing flexibility in the body through the exercises, the courses that Jerry gave. I called called his office, ordered the tapes. I listened to them. I listened to them twice. I was so impressed with the information, so impressed with what I was learning just by listening to the tapes. I thought I've got to take a class with this guy. He sounds unbelievable with what he can do. I called up and registered for the next course. I was scared the whole time.
1:18:34
S8
The course was unbelievable for me. It was I laughed harder than I've ever laughed in my life. I cried, and I was afraid. I went home after that class. Inside of me, something was telling me, you found something. You found the next the next step in your life, and you gotta go for it. Everything you're doing up to now has been waiting for this.
1:19:00
S8
It's been one of the best experiences of my life, and it continues to be so.
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To find out more about Jerry Stocking, you can call 1808992464. That's 1808992464. Thanks for listening.