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515 utterances · click to jump
00:01
S0
Sadness. K.
00:05
S0
I mean, I make requests, and I don't get responses.
00:09
S1
Yeah. You have an obligation if you're gonna make a request to get a response. And anything he does is a response.
00:18
S1
You just require a certain level of response Yeah. In order to call it a response. A non response. To be rejected all the time.
00:24
S0
Yeah. A non response is a response. I mean, a a no.
00:27
S1
No. There is a response there. Yeah. It is a response. And you take it to mean a a particular opinion of you.
00:36
S0
Yeah.
00:37
S1
Which isn't what he means by it, because it isn't that personal. Yeah. So you make it personal by having it mean something about you. That's the way you attempt to deepen it. Yeah. Get it?
00:48
S0
Yeah. So
00:52
S1
what if we open that up here?
00:57
S0
Opened up.
01:00
S1
The possibility of an exchange again.
01:02
S0
Oh, that'd be fine.
01:05
S1
Why did you close it?
01:09
S1
Can you tell the answer? I didn't. He did.
01:19
S1
Bullshit.
01:24
S0
Yeah. No. I did.
01:26
S1
Yeah. And you may not see that you did. It's I don't I'm that's not your medicine.
01:33
S1
But if he did, then there's nothing you can do about anything in the world. It's the end of the world, because everything just goes on without you, and there's nothing you can do about it, even with someone who you used to love.
01:49
S0
Okay. I'll sit with that.
01:50
S1
It's confirming opinions about yourself in you. Yeah. And he's delighted. What
02:01
S1
what one of the things you don't get, it's really interesting, and it's really hard to get.
02:08
S1
Any of you ever been in a relationship with someone and that person had an affair with somebody else and ran off? Have you had this happen? Somebody was trying to save you
02:21
S1
from your relationship.
02:24
S1
What I'm saying is they're all different ways you can look at something. If you land on one and that's your continued explanation, too bad for you. But we're sitting here doing this. We aren't doing this for Jordan. We're doing it for you. And you're sitting here going,
02:40
S1
it has nothing to do with me. Not me. We stopped making requests and promises a long time ago or some version of that, or he's nonresponsive.
02:55
S1
Should poke him with a pin?
03:00
S1
You do that right before you make a request. That or you put your hand on his crotch. Same difference to a man.
03:09
S1
And then tell me he's nonresponsive.
03:15
S1
And you can grab if you need to. Yeah. Yeah. He's not nonresponsive. He just knows that the that the best thing he can do to confirm your opinions of yourself is not respond.
03:31
S1
You know, you're how long you've been married? Thirty years. Thirty years. Was he catatonic when you got married?
03:42
S0
No. You know the answer to that.
03:44
S1
Yeah. I do. I want him because he's catatonic.
03:50
S1
Hello. Have you got anybody there who hasn't moved in in a number of years?
03:57
S1
Uh-huh. One. Yeah. He drools.
04:03
S1
That's the closest to movement he does. How how old is he?
04:09
S1
So he could live for a long time still.
04:12
S1
Yeah. Well, I'm I've heard that thirty years, you get good presents after being married for thirty years. Would you Bullshit.
04:24
S1
You get bullshit.
04:43
S1
What if you didn't need him to be nonresponsive
04:50
S1
So that you could have the story, I just want him to be responsive.
04:57
S0
What if I didn't need him to I?
04:59
S1
To be nonresponsive.
05:00
S0
I don't need him to be nonresponsive.
05:02
S1
Is he nonresponsive?
05:04
S0
I haven't checked lately.
05:08
S0
Can he be different tonight?
05:12
S1
It's not about him being different. Yeah. It's about you.
05:15
S0
I understand.
05:16
S1
Yeah. I know.
05:20
S1
At a certain point, some of it comes out to taking your medicine, and I'm sorry that it comes out that way because I
05:28
S1
he doesn't exist, sweetie.
05:36
S1
Richard Bandler went into an institution where they had a catatonic in the purse. Have you heard that story? No. Tell me. Richard is sit sits down across from the catatonic and, of course, matches the state.
05:52
S1
Is it
05:54
S1
not sure it was Richard. It was somebody else. It was it was somebody else. Was it Milton? I don't think Milton would have done that. No. It's some guy whose name I don't recognize.
06:07
S1
Haley. Jay Haley.
06:12
S1
Sits down across from the catatonic. The doctors are kinda watching. Because among other things, you'd be quiet around the catatonic in case you disturb them.
06:24
S1
It was a woman, And he leaned over and pulled a hair out of her calf and said, I'm gonna get you.
06:36
S1
And he sat for a while. Then he moved up about five inches and pulled the hair out from up further on her calf and said, I'm gonna get you. He made it about halfway up her thigh before she said, cut it out.
06:52
S1
She wasn't nonresponsive anymore. They've just been quiet so as not to disturb her.
07:03
S1
He's not nonresponsive. He just recognizes all the stimuli you use.
07:15
S1
This anything we do in the IC course, you are now licensed to use in your life in order to wake yourself and all the rest of you up, particularly you. Do you get how this could be useful?
07:32
S1
I've never and I'm, you know, I'm upstart. An How can I tell you? Because I haven't ever been married for thirty years. I don't know what it's like, but I imagine what it can be like. Go ahead.
07:49
S0
It's like the third year times 10. No. I get the math. Okay.
07:59
S1
10 of one. Year.
08:03
S1
10 times three. Years. Years. Yeah.
08:13
S1
So then I'll go to my experience. Okay? The third year, the sex was hotter and more wonderful than it ever had been. The communication was much better and much deeper than it had ever been.
08:27
S1
And that times 10?
08:29
S0
I'm trying to remember.
08:30
S1
Where did I go wrong?
08:32
S0
No. I don't know anything. What
08:35
S1
I'm saying is it it it
08:40
S1
if you're there attending to it rather than just playing tithing your patterns to their patterns, then it goes all different ways.
08:52
S1
It isn't really the way it is. You two just agreed to have it be this way from now on out, but it isn't that way. It never was.
09:08
S1
When's the last time you threatened to leave him?
09:10
S0
Think about that.
09:14
S0
I can't remember. Quite a while ago.
09:17
S1
When's the last time you left you?
09:21
S0
Oh, jeez.
09:25
S1
And when's the last time you were back? So you started this workshop as one of the sharpest people in the workshop, and you've now fallen way, way, way behind. Do you know this?
09:41
S2
I've been checking out, and it's yeah.
09:42
S1
That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I mean. There's nothing wrong with that. It's okay. It's just worth noticing.
09:50
S1
Because I said on on the first day, I said, I got somebody to play with here. I got somebody who can go into the database. I got I made it very clear. Yes? Mhmm. And then you you disappeared. You became nonresponsive.
10:07
S1
Well, where's my playmate?
10:10
S1
Because you could have come with us instead.
10:15
S1
What would happen if you did that?
10:19
S1
It's not too late.
10:20
S0
No.
10:21
S1
But it's getting there.
10:24
S1
Sun's not all the way down, but it's it's approaching the horizon.
10:28
S0
When is tomorrow?
10:30
S1
Always.
10:35
S1
Well, we didn't get to abandonment today.
10:40
S1
That's alright. It crept
10:41
S0
in. Yeah. I think so.
10:43
S2
I think it's time to go.
10:47
S1
So we were abandoned by abandonment.
10:49
S0
Do we have to end on time?
11:01
S1
No. We don't have to end on time. There have been times when we didn't.
11:08
S1
Then my job is to take a little reading on how done you are and how done I am, and you're plenty done.
11:25
S1
So let's go to work.
11:31
S1
Little tiny bit of language first because we got a little bit to finish up there. If this was like a glow course, we would go on for another two or three days perhaps with having you practice requests because that would show us everything about you. You get that from yesterday? Yeah. Totally. That that would show us everything about you, and we've never used it that way. But it would just be one after the other until you could make a request that could balance out in this. And then what that does is it it provides you a specific balanced congruent presentation to the world,
12:10
S1
which means that at that point, everything gets to be you.
12:18
S1
But it would take a a few more days, and that didn't make us more shallow yesterday as we started that, but it was really fun for me. And at a a much more advanced course, you would also also start making those distinctions because you're already making them, and we would bring them out to the surface. So you'd go, that's that. And she did that, and he did that, and then that didn't. And if he just did that, then it would have altered the other, and let's try it. And there it goes, and here it is. And you get it? It's really a hoot. But the point here is they have a Whitman sampler where you get to have different tastes of different things. So in the way of that, we'll
13:03
S1
take for a moment
13:10
S1
Declaration.
13:21
S1
We have to put them further apart so you don't confuse them.
13:34
S1
The the failure to distinguish between these two has had you not know the difference between your ass and the hole in the ground,
13:44
S1
to put it formally. Isn't that the way Fernando put it?
13:48
S0
Pretty much.
13:58
S1
Standard form, or if you wanna use the terminology, canonical form.
14:07
S1
I assert
14:11
S1
and here comes the magic. It's just
14:15
S1
I can't even believe we do this. This is what it is to be a human being,
14:23
S1
That
14:27
S1
nothing will ever be the same after I show you this.
14:40
S1
I assert that x is y.
14:46
S1
Now, by the way, x is not y. Never has been, never would be. Otherwise, why would you have them be different? X is x. Y is y. Never the twain shall meet except in you.
15:04
S1
What NLP calls x is y
15:10
S1
is a complex equivalence.
15:18
S1
Emphasis on complex. This
15:25
S1
is what you have a mind for, to have x become y.
15:32
S1
I know she loves me because
15:37
S1
whatever you say next. I like beans because
15:46
S1
see, you live in a world with cause and effects that you've been attempting to stay away from and get away from no matter what. And how you attempt to get away from them primarily is by making them up.
15:59
S1
You don't understand why he did that, and then you then you jump. This is such a cool place you go to. And he doesn't really know why he did it, but I do.
16:11
S1
I really know why he did it. Let me tell you. Don't tell him because he'll catch on when he does, or I'll tell him why he did it. You you guys are aware of doing this?
16:24
S0
Mhmm. Yeah.
16:28
S1
My friend old friend John Patrick used to say often wrong, but never in doubt.
16:43
S1
I assert that x is why the couch is comfortable.
16:51
S1
I'm claiming that the couch has a specific attribute called comfortable.
16:58
S1
Allows us to affix a price to it.
17:02
S1
Allows us to wanna spend time sitting on it. Allows us to fight somebody for a position on it if it happened to be filled,
17:16
S1
allows us to demand from ourselves of specific state should we happen to be sitting on it.
17:25
S1
That's really nasty.
17:31
S1
You follow that one? I'm now sitting on the couch, so I should be comfortable because the couch is comfortable.
17:44
S1
Where specifically is the comfort residing over there?
17:52
S1
We make this shit up
17:55
S1
and then accept no responsibility for having made it up because we say that it's in the thing itself.
18:04
S0
X
18:07
S1
equals y.
18:13
S1
That allows us to build any kind of illusion. Absolutely any kind of illusion. It also allows us this is like the neutron bomb of psychology. You know what a neutron bomb is? Mhmm. You you blast the city, and all the buildings remain, and all the people die.
18:36
S1
This is what this is.
18:41
S1
You drop an assertion, and and
18:47
S1
everybody dies,
18:50
S1
and the buildings remain. And the VCRs remain, and the TVs remain, and the cars remain, and all of that remains, but there are no people anymore because they killed them all. There's no room for people in this. Because how can x equal y? I it can't. Yeah. That's right.
19:10
S1
So we have to take any features of you or any qualities of you or any distinctions we could pull out about you, and we have to reduce those to the lowest common denominator so that we can find out how we're the same.
19:27
S1
All men are created equal.
19:41
S1
I swear that's an assertion,
19:47
S1
And that's what we're founded on as a country, is that kind of assertion. So if I look at differences, then I'm some kind of a bigot, except look how many differences there are. And what, by the way, is my mind gonna do if it doesn't look at differences?
20:10
S1
It's I mean, it's gotta be occupied in some way or other.
20:27
S1
Got it?
20:29
S1
The repercussions we could spend months on. Easy. Just on this.
20:36
S1
You slaughter people with this. You look nice today.
20:43
S1
You look nice,
20:48
S1
and you go, wow. I didn't know I looked nice. You hear it as a fact. You don't hear it as my opinion. You hear it as a fact. And when that happens, I become an expert at determining what nice is.
21:06
S1
Next day you come in, I say, my god, chef, you really look nice today. You go, oh, what did I just do so that I can now do that more often so that I can be nice again or look nice again. Then the fourth day you come in or the eighth day you come in, I go, oh, you look like shit. You've given away
21:28
S1
the ability to make this decision to me, and now you can't take it back. It's too late. You're committed. You go, God, I didn't know I looked like shit. And that haunts you all day. And pretty soon, we don't even need you to be there. Mhmm. I can just determine what's up with you.
21:48
S1
Now you wanna do this if you're learning to play the violin with somebody who knows about the violin. But who knows about you?
21:59
S1
And we're still we we send somebody out on a hunt for you, but they aren't back yet.
22:06
S1
Or we send somebody in on a hunt for you, but they aren't back yet.
22:12
S1
Regarding you, the jury's still out. You know how I know that?
22:17
S1
Because you're alive.
22:29
S1
Declaration.
22:35
S1
I declare
22:41
S1
that
22:44
S1
I am
22:50
S1
x.
22:58
S1
So assertion tells you something about some specific relationship between two things, an equality between two things.
23:08
S1
A declaration tells you is is the tool for searching out yourself.
23:18
S1
Fill in the blank. I am?
23:23
S1
A woman. A woman. I am
23:31
S1
stupid.
23:35
S1
These are both assertions. It's not in the words. It's in the intent. Did you learn something about yourself when you said I am a woman?
23:55
S1
Inherent and an assertion
24:00
S1
is an offer
24:04
S1
to give evidence.
24:09
S1
Inherent in a declaration
24:15
S1
is creativity.
24:22
S1
An assertion moves
24:25
S1
from the past
24:29
S1
somewhere near, but not to the present.
24:36
S1
A declaration moves from the future
24:43
S1
back to the present.
24:49
S0
I declare that I'm love with them.
24:53
S1
That's a declaration.
24:55
S0
So grounded and ungrounded don't make any difference.
24:58
S1
Grounded and ungrounded is a much more superficial cut of the whole deal.
25:04
S1
Grounded and ungrounded is for day one. This is for day five.
25:11
S1
Because grounded and ungrounded really has to do with who's speaking and so does this, but this is a much, much deeper cut.
25:22
S1
As you start to play with this, you can drop grounded and ungrounded. It's not so relevant. Then if you're up against the wall in survival, return to grounded and ungrounded because this will be a distinction that you're under too great a pressure to make. You can't do it. You got to go, wait a minute. Is it there or not? Is it there? No. I need somebody to tell me if it's there. This is you making the distinction, whereas the others, look, it's okay, babe. It's okay. That's not that that that that unicorn is not there. It's really not there. And I can get plenty of friends that let you know it's not there. The the question is see, these are things you tinkle tinker with when your sanity is not really that much in question. You're fine tuning. Grounded and ungrounded, you you you gotta get to earth first, and that's what you use those for. So it depends on the degree of immediacy of the necessity of a visit from the sanity ferry.
26:30
S1
Get it? Yeah.
26:34
S1
Help.
26:38
S1
That's where you need grounded and ungrounded.
26:43
S1
So that was the declaration.
26:56
S1
By the way, none of this has anything to do with true or false.
27:01
S1
Watch. Ready? I am a woman.
27:08
S1
What is that? I'll do the other one so that you can determine which is which. Mhmm. K? I am a woman.
27:18
S1
That was an assertion. Like,
27:20
S2
the other way around the other one.
27:22
S1
Other way around. But you were you were almost there.
27:28
S1
So close. What is that? You're almost there. So close. Assertions. I I From a movie? I I can't really make assertions.
27:43
S0
Because I'm
27:43
S1
not I lost the ability a long, long time ago to make assertions. I
27:51
S1
speak almost entirely in declarations. I can't I can't do assertions.
27:57
S1
So I can't give you a good assertion, but you guys can do good assertions. A number of you can do really good assertions. One's not better than the other. The one defines your nest. The other one is you in the nest. That that one's not better than the other.
28:16
S1
It'd be pretty cool to be able to do either one and know which one you were doing.
28:21
S1
I've lost the ability to do one.
28:25
S1
I'm going to get it back.
28:29
S1
Apparently, not yet. You get it? One
28:37
S1
of the ways you can tell is that when I speak, something in you opens. That's a declaration. When you speak in a search and something closes. Mhmm. Always something opens. Always something closes. Always something opens. Always something closes. What I've been doing is declaring you all week, and then you start to catch on that you could that you're, in fact, already declaring yourself.
29:06
S1
You're asserting that he's stuck.
29:14
S1
If that becomes a declaration, then it becomes a tool for your own self discovery as opposed to a condition in him that you can't do a dang thing about. It's a big shift.
29:28
S1
It's a huge shift.
29:34
S1
It's the shift that makes all the difference because you aren't here to learn about him. You're here to learn about you. He's here to learn about him, although he may not have caught on to that yet. Who cares? Because you're here to learn about you. No. You don't understand. I can't learn another damn thing about me until he learns something about him. Uh-oh.
29:59
S1
I'm willing to run up with the with the pole to the pole vault thing. I'm willing to run as fast as I possibly can, but once I get the thing in there, I don't wanna go up because I'm afraid of heights, so we gotta substitute somebody else at that point.
30:16
S1
But I'm really a fast runner, so I can run all the way up there. Right? Right to that point, but then you gotta step in for me.
30:22
S0
A pinch balter.
30:23
S1
Yeah. A pinch balter.
30:28
S1
That sounds like something you'd say in a a German kid's class. Pinch vaulter. I
30:36
S2
that. I like that you'd stop it right in the middle of the thing.
30:39
S1
You gotta stop it right there and get them in.
30:41
S2
Midswing, he has to jump in and grab the bat and swing. Finish the swing.
30:47
S1
Dear, I've loved you my whole life. I've always wanted you. Will you?
30:59
S1
That's time for a pinch proposer.
31:03
S1
Hold it. Mary.
31:09
S1
Me.
31:13
S1
How many times have you wanted a pinch proposer? Let's get somebody to fill in here. Look. I need a raise.
31:30
S2
Then another guy. Now.
31:33
S1
For me. Hitler. Now. Talk to him. I
31:40
S0
got it.
31:42
S1
You don't understand yet. You don't quite get it. The pinchers are inside. You can go to another part of you. Who can do that?
31:56
S1
See, you don't need that many schizophrenics at a party. One
32:04
S1
or two will do.
32:09
S1
And you got a whole room full.
32:16
S1
What part of you can say now? Bring that part in when that part needs to be said. Yeah. In the pinch propose or bring in the pinch
32:29
S1
I swear that if you love your spouse and you're gonna hit her or him, that a pinch hitter comes in
32:38
S1
already. Because you can't do it. You bring somebody else in.
32:47
S1
Some you that's sufficiently angry
32:52
S1
and takes no responsibility for your actions to do the hit and then they leave again. You go,
32:58
S0
I'm so sorry.
33:00
S1
I am so sorry. I have no idea how that happened. And if you have this happen or been with somebody who does it and you don't who did that? You brought in a pinch hitter.
33:13
S1
And because you don't know yourself sufficiently, you don't know all these different parts sufficiently, you don't want to take responsibility for what they do.
33:26
S1
So this is a t shirt.
33:29
S1
I plead temporary insanity always.
33:37
S1
It's legitimate.
33:39
S0
I like that.
33:40
S1
Look. You know, I've been married to you for eight years. I plead temporary insanity always. See you later. But
33:51
S0
they
33:54
S0
become
33:56
S1
dependent on your whichever hitter happens to be there at the moment, whichever propose or whichever you happens to be playing at the moment. And then you go, my god. I can't spin the wheel anymore. I gotta stay on the one that's here within a very small range or I don't get to or I'm out of the game. The only problem is she's playing baseball and you're playing football.
34:22
S1
And so I think this mix of baseball, football.
34:27
S1
You know? Because she
34:32
S1
comes up and stands there with a bat, and you run along with the ball, and she hits you in an attempt to hit the ball.
34:42
S1
Because in in football, you don't pitch much. Pitch much? Yeah.
34:50
S1
At that point, you get to know yourself right along when not under too much duress, though you're always under some duress, always under some duress, if self imposed, if nothing else,
35:05
S1
or living out some routine that somebody gave you,
35:13
S1
you need to be able to find those other parts of you. Otherwise, you get locked into one part. And then the other parts go, hey. What about it's it's like a teacher with 30 kids in the classroom or however many you happen to have. It's probably more than that. And the teacher keeps looking only at one student and dealing only with one student as though the teacher only has one student. What happens to the other kids? That's what you did. You want to be married, I gotta be this way. I gotta do this, and I gotta be that, and I gotta act like this, and I gotta do that, and I gotta and that's it. And that's what I'll do. What about all those other kids? What about those kids?
36:07
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And then you bring in a pinch hitter, and you clobber her or him. You go.
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S1
She becomes a run batted in.
36:26
S0
This is
36:26
S1
my RBI.
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S1
So
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any questions on this before I have you sit here in front of the group and
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we have other stuff to do today and do a few declarations and assertions. Do you get the difference?
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Let's see if I can help.
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We have to have you have a complete shift of attention or have a chiropractic moment or tennis.
37:26
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I play with that when I'm swimming. I swim laps. I play with that not knowing which side I'm on.
37:35
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Just to screw myself up. I
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don't do it on purpose. It's a pinch me who can't count that
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S1
see, that's why they say pinch me.
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You've heard, you know, pinch me? Yeah. That's where that's from. It's an invitation to find a different you,
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which is
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S1
what the shepherd does when one of them says no.
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S1
You with me there? Shepherd. Shepherd. I don't know the shepherd yet.
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S1
Wendy got it? Yes? Yeah. That's
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S0
it. Oh, no. Now
38:37
S1
don't you wish you hadn't? And I swear that right before that, you thought that when you got it, it would be better.
38:45
S1
Yeah. That's no better. My hair. It's no better. That's embarrassing to be a human being. It is. It is.
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S0
It
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S2
I'm sure that it seems very superficial that but it just sounds like a declaration is an affirmation, and I'm I know that's not right.
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S1
On on everything's true on one level.
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S2
You know, I am handsomer and more beautiful every day. That's the future. Right? It sounds like an affirm. Effort.
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S1
What what that is is it's an attempt to convert a declaration into an assertion. Mhmm. It's an attempt to become more beautiful through making the declaration. It's losing the distinction between declaration and assertion. So it's converting yourself to a thing.
39:48
S2
That's what it feels like, so I'm not getting this yet.
39:51
S1
Yes, you are. You're getting it beautifully, and you brought up a tremendously important relevant point that gives great benefit to everybody in the group except you because you're so busy asserting that you're wrong and worthless and of no value.
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S1
See, when you we whittle you all the way down, we either find a declaration or an assertion.
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S1
And currently, in you, we find an assertion. Thus, you are the effective things rather than the cause. And you just clarified a very important point for many, many people in the room. There aren't that many people in the room. Many people in the Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
40:40
S1
I forgot about this. It's a bride party thing.
40:44
S0
He's here, so is he. And
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S1
yet, you don't think you clarified it clarified it for you?
40:54
S2
Well, I I understand it, but I I can't do a declaration now, apparently. Right. Yeah.
41:03
S1
Yeah. Well, you can't do a declaration if your fundamental one is an assertion. You are a thing. Yeah. If if you don't like it, then a really cool thing to do is just resist it from now on. You just resist it. So resist it. That should feel bad. In fact, that should feel bad. When
41:34
S1
you whittle all the way down, you get back to a basic declaration or a basic assertion. It's either an assertion or declaration. That determines on whether that we're we're now at a VIP. How many of you have listened to the VIPs? K. We're now at a a VIP of active or passive. If it's a basic assertion, then you're passive. If it's a basic declaration, then you're accurate. It's really that simple.
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S1
Can we do an aside? Is this unbelievable or what?
42:14
S3
Oh, yeah. It's it's and this mine just wants to really shut down with it.
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S1
Yeah. But you get it.
42:20
S3
I'm getting it. Yeah. Yeah.
42:21
S1
What what am I building on Fernando's model?
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S3
You've you've taken it to a very different level because we didn't get in so far as really getting it in the body in terms of how this is a contraction for a grounded being, and this is an expansion for our grounded being. So this keeps us away from the present and stuck in the past. And if it's not something that our body enjoys or resists, there's no way we're gonna be in the present except at the best suffering. This one takes us to a new realm of possibility that can both be scary and yet can be quite, engaging, you know, revitalizing to yourself.
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S1
So I have an invitation to you. Make sure that I get together with Fernando in the next year,
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S1
and you can be there for it.
43:14
S3
Oh, that would be cool.
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S1
And we'll have fun.
43:17
S3
Oh, that would be cool.
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S1
I don't claim to be as equal, but I do claim to be sufficiently in the present that it will be interesting for him.
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S3
Yeah. Yeah.
43:34
S1
But you're good on the phones.
43:36
S3
Yeah. Even I surprised myself.
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S3
Wouldn't
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S1
he be interested?
43:42
S3
Oh, yeah. I would yeah. Absolutely.
43:45
S1
I'm not done yet. I'm just doing what we can do, I see this keeps going.
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S3
To to observe and and engage in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially considering it's all gringos.
43:55
S1
Yes. Yankee.
43:57
S3
Yes.
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S1
So there's a challenge for you if you wanna do it.
44:02
S0
Yeah. He doesn't get the medication.
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S1
He does. I get it. He does. So
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S2
the question is out of this dialogue here. There were I counted about
44:17
S1
Dear dear.
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S1
We just entirely illustrated. No. We I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about you. We just illustrated how you suffer.
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S1
That's good news. That you suffer, you already knew. Now we illustrated how.
44:41
S1
That's even better news because now you can observe the suffering as a patterned process as opposed to who you are.
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S1
And beginning to observe it as a pattern process, go, here I go again. Here I go again. There I go again.
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S1
There goes that pattern process in me again that entirely guts my being and has may become a thing. There I go again.
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S1
There it goes. No. Not there I go. There it goes.
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S1
There, but for the grace of the patterns, departs or leaves or goes, I.
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S1
I have left the building, and the building still sits here.
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S1
We're supposed to be here.
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S1
That's why we came here. That's why we waited in line for so long to get one of these, and we're supposed to be here. It's okay.
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S1
But what I'm telling you is this is a gift for you.
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S1
This is a gift for you, not from me to you, from you to you. And the degree to which you perceive it is not a gift is the degree to which you won't be able to get it later
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S1
because you'll try and stay away from it. This is the good news.
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S1
The good news is you have this life that you have, and you've been entirely, completely, and utterly patterned.
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S1
And yet you still have this life.
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S1
And what if you could start to derive entertainment from observing the patterns? Here I go. Here I go. There it goes. There it is. There it is again. Yikes. There it is again. Otherwise, you go, I'm gonna resist it. And the the main way you resist it, at least at some point, is by not perceiving it anymore.
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S1
Yeah. That doesn't mean it leaves. It just leaves your ability to perceive it.
47:16
S2
And then I'm miserable.
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S1
Yeah. Because
47:20
S2
I'm stuck in it.
47:21
S1
Yeah. Rather than enjoying the show. You're in the theater, and you're facing the opposite direction from what's happening on the stage.
47:32
S1
You are the show, babe. You're it.
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S1
So you may as well get to know it.
47:46
S1
I mean, you already you already say your lines. You might as well learn them. So you can go, here I go. This is where I say this.
47:56
S2
And when you guys were talking, I wanted to say, bring me along so I can sit there and not know what's going on. Yeah.
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S2
But I felt like it was too
48:05
S1
much But they all know that you're getting it. You're the only one in the room that thinks you're not. You're upholding the position of not getting it. They all know you're getting it. Is this accurate or not? Look at them. Raise your hand if you know she's getting it.
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S1
And your mind goes, this is what you called brain freeze yesterday. That's the same thing. You see how beautiful it is?
48:34
S0
I'm hearing every
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S1
word. Well, you're that beautiful too when it goes on with you. And everybody in the room sees it and knows it.
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S1
And they're familiar with that. It's when you run into a wall and you can't go one step further. That's when you're the most human. That's when you're the most human. That's when you're really in fact there. And you go, no. That's not that can't be it. Well, that is it. Screw you. That is it. That's what you got. This is it. This is how you look to them when you think you look bad to them and to me. Can you see her opening? Can you feel stuff? Yeah. That's it. That's the gift you give.
49:20
S1
And your mind goes, and it it's been it the whole time. We're always dear at the point of life and death. I have a suggestion for you. Pick both. Don't pick one or the other. Pick both. Because given that you spend an awful lot of time in the world of illusion, if you pick death, you will have picked life. And if you pick life, you will have picked death. So you may as well pick both.
49:50
S1
If you go several seconds without dying, you go several seconds without cleaning your system. Dying cleans your system. You can't do that. If you go several seconds dying without living, you don't get to mess your system up. I'm getting the dying part. Yeah. I got it. And it sucks, my dear.
50:15
S1
It's also letting go. Yeah. It is. There are lots of Trying to keep things alive that, you know, need to die. Yeah. Here's my analogy for that. Once
50:30
S1
you give it CPR, if it doesn't breathe on its own, you have to keep giving it CPR. Uh-huh.
50:36
S1
I I came up with this analogy on the phone with somebody last week with my editor, a guy from New York. And he said, have you and and then Dean wanted it when he
50:51
S1
He said, you've used that before. I said, no. Of course, I haven't. I said, you go to CPR class. You got this dummy.
50:59
S1
And and you please don't touch him. Just no. Just let him be. Tissues are okay.
51:05
S0
Tears
51:09
S1
are pretty good. They leave, like, tracks we can follow back.
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S1
What you do is you feel it.
51:57
S1
How how many of you in relationship have been giving CPR to a dummy?
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S1
And you keep expecting them to breathe,
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S1
and they never do. Then you fall in love with the dummy because you're one too.
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S1
You get that can wash it through for you.
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S1
This is your emotions not only serve for you, they serve for everybody else.
52:37
S1
And then you get to stay present when it turns to laughter.
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S1
And if you have a preference for staying present to one over the other, then you're then you're in trouble.
53:23
S1
I remember Pine Lake many, many, many years ago with a really good friend of mine who she was not gonna she was not gonna get it herself, but she was able to give it to others. And I remember just weeping and then watching it turn into laughter and then watching it turn into both. And I just would look at her and go, what is this? It's life.
53:54
S1
You had some before, or is it gone? Yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. No doubt about that.
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S1
Remember when I told you about the guy hitting himself and then integrating it? That's this. Except that it's not being hit.
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S1
Much of what you've considered being hit really isn't, and much of what you haven't considered being hit really is.
54:22
S0
Oh, fuck.
54:25
S1
That's a technical term for this.
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S1
And and, dear,
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S1
this is making love to yourself. Oh, yeah. It's not fucking.
54:43
S1
Now legitimately, you should be tired after this, but you won't be because it just opens all kinds of stuff up.
54:54
S1
So one of the main things to learn from this is that you're not in control. And
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S1
when you're not in control, you give birth to yourself.
55:08
S1
Find a woman who's attempted to control the birth process, and I'll show you a woman who's had a cesarean section at best.
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S1
Find a woman who can relax into the birth process, and there's somebody you can talk to.
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S1
And this is a man's birth process that's giving birth to himself.
55:37
S1
Somehow I was able to swallow that medicine. Yeah. What what you have now is you have a much larger space inside. And what you need to do is constantly, and this is qigong, essence, if I were to say it, of Qigong, is to have a larger space to put things. Because there's nothing like a larger space to put things, to put them in perspective. And there's nothing like a smaller place to it's just a larger place.
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S1
And we use time to put things in perspective. But times then becomes an illusion we depend on.
56:19
S1
Michael Winn has this gigantic space inside, and whatever comes along, it fits in. This is twenty six years of practice. Whatever comes along, he fits in. You know, he tells a story he was he ended up owning a crack house in New York. It didn't start out as a crack house, but then somebody rented this building that it was a crack house. And he decided he had to do something with it, and he called up two big black guys that he knew, and they headed over there to try and clear it out. And within moments of arriving, they ended up flat on their bellies on the floor with guns at their heads. These guys weren't fooling around. And Michael says, I checked out whether today was gonna be the day I died, and it came back as a no. So then that allowed him to just interact with him in a normal way.
57:24
S1
Well, they were dependent upon him thinking he might die,
57:30
S1
and he proceeded to negotiate a deal with him
57:34
S1
because he knew he wasn't going to die that day. And by the way, if he was going to die that day, what what difference what what good would it do in any way to to think he was?
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S1
It would just remove his ability to be there, which is what dying is. One more step. You point that gun at me, and I'll kill myself.
57:59
S1
You mean, you're gonna do it for me?
58:08
S1
Any questions on these two distant relatives?
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S1
Do we dare get into the soup of playing with
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S1
making an assertion or a declaration? We might try it.
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S1
The thing we're gonna do next this morning is deal with abandonment. So would you rather do this for a little bit or get right into abandonment?
58:42
S1
And then we're gonna do enemas.
58:48
S1
$70.70 bucks there.
58:49
S0
I can't see it right with the enemas.
58:54
S1
And that's still this morning, then this afternoon.
59:00
S1
We just haven't been able
59:01
S0
to ask. These
59:08
S1
things show up spontaneously all over in life, and they wash through and they take care of us. And you're not supposed to have them. Imagine if if you were in a business context and you were allowed to. Yeah. And you were allowed to. And if you I mean, imagine if you're in a relationship and you were allowed to. You try and keep these things down until they finally explode, but when they explode, they don't explode like this. They explode like something. You get it? It's been held down long enough that it it's it's sufficiently misdirected, that it doesn't teach you about yourself at that point.
59:48
S1
If you can embrace and bring in the first signs of it.
59:50
S2
Can you say, can I have one of those tomorrow at 02:00? Is that possible?
59:54
S1
Yes. As a matter of fact, it can be really, really, really fun to do that. You schedule these rascals in. Honest to goodness. Let me just a related phenomenon. Mhmm. Back back in the old days when I it's fine, Trish. When I used to hunt.
1:00:13
S1
I I would request to my body the night before that I allow myself to relieve myself before I you guys have all done such things, presume, that I relieve myself before I go hunting in the morning. And even though I would go sometimes at 05:30 or six in the morning, which was earlier than I would normally, whatever, my body would just do it. And I would have to go to the bathroom.
1:00:39
S1
And then I'd go out hunting and not have to go for hours and hours and hours. These are the kind of deals we can set up. Tuesdays and Thursdays, 4PM, I have an absolute
1:00:50
S0
But isn't there a danger of thinking you're controlling it?
1:00:53
S1
Always. I don't know that that part ever goes.
1:01:00
S1
It hasn't left me
1:01:03
S1
because the idea that you're controlling it gives you some kind of little idea that you might there's something that's okay. No. That means it's not okay. Anything you control, you mess up. You miss what's there is the essence of it. SYN is what it's called, which means off target. You're off target.
1:01:30
S1
Really simple.
1:01:39
S1
So he says, doesn't that mean there's a danger of thinking you control it? That's a request.
1:01:47
S1
I request that you tell me now if that doesn't get confused with control. It's a request. So somebody say something, and let's find out which one of these it is. And you get to play with how? Let's see. This is
1:02:05
S1
It gets really funny because you can start making requests of yourself. I request that you make a declaration now.
1:02:14
S1
You can make that request of yourself. Don't fuck me away.
1:02:20
S1
See, this this whole thing of interacting with other humans can come back home so that you can do this when you're talking to yourself. That's really the point. Oh, that was a declaration, but that was an assertion about the declaration.
1:02:36
S1
See, pretty if you get really good at this, you can end up on the street with a bottle and a bag and
1:02:45
S1
No. You cannot end up that way if you get really good at it.
1:02:55
S1
So somebody speak.
1:03:04
S4
You mean making an assertion and a declaration? Is that what you mean?
1:03:08
S1
So that was a request.
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S1
Let's just find out what you do.
1:03:21
S4
I am the devil and I am an angel all at once.
1:03:26
S1
Okay. What is that? Assertion. That's an assertion.
1:03:33
S4
I am the devil and I am an angel all at once.
1:03:40
S1
It's on the road to be in a declaration, though. We gotta mark off the progress. There was progress there. There was more curiosity, more finding out, more bringing it into creation than there was in the first one and more energy flow. These things all correlate.
1:04:04
S1
Can you tell the difference?
1:04:06
S4
I felt the difference. So a slight difference. Yeah. What was that?
1:04:12
S4
It seemed to
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S1
have No. No.
1:04:13
S2
No. It was a declaration.
1:04:16
S1
What you just said. I felt a slight difference. What was that?
1:04:19
S4
What was the difference? No. Oh, that was a that was a declaration.
1:04:28
S1
I don't think so.
1:04:29
S4
Oh, okay. I got you.
1:04:32
S1
You have to wake up just a little bit more to make a declaration. K. You have to be willing to mix in uncertainty.
1:04:47
S1
You love certainty. When you came in here, you were what we call a thing sorter and everything had to stop and stop for a period of time before you could report on it. And you put everybody in France because everything had to stop for a period of time. Now it's gotten moving.
1:05:06
S1
That's huge. That's unbelievable progress even for an IC. Amazing. And you guys have noted the progress. That's a huge difference. You need to stop doing TM for a a year or two.
1:05:20
S1
Just for a year or two is an experiment because now the thing's gonna start moving. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with TM. I'm saying it ceased to serve you. And that doesn't mean you have to stop because you can go ahead do and it if you want because you don't have to do what I say. Who cares? But I
1:05:39
S1
have it as a suggestion. So now it got moving. So now this is the this is the technology of the exploration of oneself. So it got moving. Now we get to see what ingredient could it use now that it's moving. And I suspect your pictures even have gotten moving in your head compared to the Mhmm. Do you notice the difference? So this is all back to VITK again. Bless our hearts.
1:06:05
S1
Now you've got to add some uncertainty. So
1:06:11
S1
add at least 20% uncertainty to everything you say, and that'll wiggle you over toward declaration. If you add 30 or 40% uncertainty, you will become sufficiently disoriented that you will stop doing this and not wanna play with this anymore. But if you add 15 to 20% for a little while, then you can slowly, easily over the next several months move it up a little bit, and it will slide you over toward declaration.
1:06:35
S4
What I noticed was
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S1
Add the uncertainty.
1:06:40
S4
What I noticed was See the difference? When I was making a distinction
1:06:45
S1
Now he's humored. Between
1:06:49
S4
my
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S4
my alleged declaration and my assertion was that I look for the evidence between the two.
1:06:57
S1
Now look at how much more present you guys are with him. You get it? You're entertained.
1:07:08
S4
I look for the evidence. Yeah. So, you know
1:07:11
S1
Yeah. If the evidence is there, it's a dead giveaway that it's an assertion.
1:07:14
S4
Yeah.
1:07:15
S1
And you're dead. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations.
1:07:24
S1
See, and when you had your moment in the bathroom, and and it was the longest moment than that I know, you didn't know anything.
1:07:30
S4
That's right.
1:07:30
S1
You knew everything.
1:07:31
S4
Yeah. Yeah.
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S1
So you were completely curious. You had also had everything. Yet also you you can't skip to there and stay there. Now you get to do the groundwork, which is what I'm talking about here. As you wiggle over 15 to 20% toward declaration by adding to your recipe uncertainty,
1:07:57
S1
you will start to learn much more about yourself. And they the people around you will become much more awake and much more you guys can tell that this has happened when he has the mic. I mean, it's so cool. In one week. How can this happen? It's just too much. I don't want you to go home. Any of you.
1:08:19
S1
What the I mean, we could keep going. Likelihood I'll run out?
1:08:26
S2
Of paper.
1:08:31
S1
Did you hear about that one?
1:08:32
S2
No. But that's the one I could think running out of.
1:08:36
S1
I came in Yeah. One morning for an IC, and I got the indication before I left home that I had to not speak. Oh, I did hear about that. So I wrote instead of speaking for the first day and almost a half. And we just have these sheets all over the place. So we would carry on a conversation. The person would speak, and I would write. It's incredible. It's amazing.
1:09:02
S1
Congratulations. You've gotten the system moving again, and energy gets to start moving again and get in the rigor course because you can stop it again. You've practiced stopping it a lot. Keep it moving. And it's up to you. It's always up to you.
1:09:26
S1
I can tell you what to do, but I don't follow my own dictates. So
1:09:36
S1
Who else?
1:09:39
S1
That was an example of good work.
1:09:44
S1
Get it? Good work on your part, good work on my part, good work on their part, that's good work. Clean is a whistle and comes up with something very specific that you can play with. I'm saying thank you, God. Yeah.
1:10:18
S1
We can use the same four and create spiritual language.
1:10:26
S1
You find out about God,
1:10:32
S1
and we can play the same way.
1:10:36
S1
It's a higher order language, and the same model fits.
1:11:19
S1
Emily just pointed out to me that
1:11:26
S1
assertion declaration also is not only indicative, but predictive of internal, external.
1:11:38
S1
Assertion requires external,
1:11:42
S1
and declaration requires internal.
1:11:47
S1
Pretty cool, M. Mhmm. Thank you. I love
1:11:54
S1
it when people teach me stuff about my model,
1:11:58
S1
especially when they're related to me closely.
1:12:11
S1
Any questions about assertion and declaration or anything else like that?
1:12:15
S0
It just had a thing in my brain that said declaration is I felt like a guinea pig suddenly and declaration is is like the scientific method where they just make a leap and then they or is it the opposite? Are they making an assertion? They're making an for evidence.
1:12:39
S1
They're they're attempting to
1:12:44
S1
they're attempting to discover an assertion,
1:12:48
S1
which relieves them of the responsibility of being who they are.
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S1
Got it?
1:13:05
S1
Just the facts, ma'am. Fuck. Fuck. Right. There are no facts. Just the facts. There's another one. It's just business. Yeah. Personal. Yeah. We gotta fire them. It's just business. Yeah.
1:13:25
S0
So I think everybody knows a little bit about my experience with running.
1:13:31
S0
And when I say, I am a runner, it's an assertion. But when I say, I am a runner,
1:13:45
S0
becomes a declaration that
1:13:50
S1
Even the first one was a declaration now. You think? They were both declarations.
1:13:58
S1
That's very powerful, my dear.
1:14:03
S1
It didn't used to be a declaration. Now it's a declaration. Try and say it assertion again.
1:14:12
S0
I am a runner.
1:14:15
S1
You got it? There's too much of you in it. There's too much of you in it. There you are.
1:14:24
S1
Gotta factor that out.
1:14:28
S1
Yeah.
1:14:30
S0
Maybe I can maybe I can I can tell you how to do it?
1:14:33
S1
Do you wanna know how to do it? Yeah. It's very simple. You just go away when you say the I.
1:14:47
S0
I am a runner.
1:14:49
S1
And then you show up when you say runner.
1:14:53
S1
I am a runner.
1:14:55
S0
I am a runner. I'm a runner.
1:14:58
S1
You go away when you say the I, and then you come back when you say runner. And that way, you've given birth to runner and and given death to I. That's how you did it.
1:15:15
S1
It's just that there's a specific technology to doing it. It's not complicated, and nobody knows it. But they sort of knew it because they talk about where the accent is in the sentence. Where the but
1:15:36
S1
go a little deeper than that, and you'll find where the existence is in the sentence.
1:15:47
S1
It's a question of whether or not runner
1:15:50
S1
defines I or is one of many attributes of I.
1:16:00
S1
You son of a bitch. So you knew my mother.
1:16:07
S1
I had no idea you knew my mother.
1:16:32
S1
So many different existences, so much time.
1:16:42
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1:16:54
S6
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1:17:05
S7
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