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00:03
S0
Before she was
00:05
S1
Now what what watch this.
00:07
S0
Before
00:07
S1
Stand up.
00:13
S1
Did she stand up because I told her to?
00:16
S0
Yes.
00:16
S1
Absolutely not. She made it her own thing first.
00:22
S0
She went in. It's it's just like, I
00:24
S1
could see it. She made it her own thing.
00:27
S0
Still really her own thing.
00:28
S1
That's it. She's standing there as her own thing. Mhmm. So that's where you need to practice. Sit down.
00:46
S1
You get it? Uh-huh. So that tells you exactly where you need to practice. It's time to take some orders.
00:56
S1
I can tell you that if you have to resist,
01:02
S1
it's the same thing as having to follow.
01:06
S1
It's the same exact thing. It's just the opposite, but it's the same. Stand up, Adar. Now.
01:18
S1
He says, I stood up.
01:23
S1
Now sit down because I told you to. Sit down.
01:28
S1
So they need to work on this. Stand up.
01:35
S1
Because sitting down, that was much more of it. You do you feel the power?
01:42
S2
Yes. Mhmm.
01:43
S1
That's the power.
01:46
S1
And, again, it's if you're forced into one of these, you're in trouble.
01:53
S1
Sit down.
02:00
S1
About fifty fifty. Mhmm. But, hey, fifty fifty is a huge increase. Yeah. If your stock went up 50%, you're gonna be pleased?
02:13
S1
No. It did in a hundred years.
02:16
S0
What did you mean when you said
02:17
S1
It'll get to the point where she can do it quickly.
02:21
S0
What did you mean when you said Sit down.
02:23
S2
What did you mean?
02:30
S1
You know, her knees hurt it.
02:39
S1
You get how now you got a little bit more Zoe standing here?
02:44
S1
Zoe's pretty nonthreatening. I don't know if you know this, but a lot of people like her.
02:51
S1
She's pretty nonthreatening. She's gonna become quite threatening here.
02:57
S1
Then you'll be able to have something to offer people
03:02
S1
because Zoe will be there.
03:10
S1
Sit down.
03:13
S1
And you're watching the repercussions go out? That's entertainment.
03:23
S1
You get how all of this has existed in much littler things than maybe you thought?
03:31
S1
What would the benefit be if you had complete flexibility of this and you could do either one any old time that you wanted to. Shucks. You'd be closing in on free choice, wouldn't you? Mike to Jeff, please.
03:46
S0
Zoe got to where there was no preference. Could she escape the influence of us?
03:50
S1
Absolutely. She could have as much of it or as little of it as she wanted.
03:57
S1
These are what keeps you from having everything. She could have as much or as little as she wanted. She could pick in the situation.
04:07
S1
She could be with a young child and be absolutely externally referenced so that she got to be the young child. She could be with an adult and be the able one.
04:22
S1
She could have a range of just exactly what was appropriate in the moment. Wouldn't be so bad, would it?
04:31
S1
And all it would take is some practice with this.
04:37
S1
See, I don't ever do anything I don't wanna do. I vowed that many many years ago not to do anything that I didn't wanna do. Now sometimes I have to be fairly quick at wanting,
04:51
S1
But that's not all bad to learn to be quick at wanting.
04:58
S0
I understand how all these externals ended up in this course, but I don't understand why any internal events is in the course.
05:05
S1
Because I'm so cute.
05:16
S0
But some people sign up after they just heard you on the CDs.
05:19
S1
I'm not I'm even cute on the cassettes.
05:27
S1
You don't understand why the externals would do I mean, internals would do anything. Right?
05:33
S0
Yes. I can understand why they would do some things.
05:36
S1
If they really wanted to.
05:40
S1
Peggy, it's always fifty fifty.
05:44
S2
Hey. You guys are all wrong.
05:51
S1
Once again, and he doesn't care.
05:59
S0
I think I've seen him external, and it's always when he's ticked off at somebody.
06:02
S1
Yes.
06:05
S1
That's how he defends that terrain.
06:09
S1
As if he's doing okay, then he doesn't go external. If he has to go external, he gets upset. Yeah. That's how it that's defense. That's like resistance right there.
06:24
S1
You've you've gotten over into the defended zone, and it's always fifty fifty.
06:31
S0
What do you mean it's always 5050%
06:34
S1
internal, 50% external is what it always is because the the energy is going both ways. But if you think it's constantly one way, then you're always at a deficit. It doesn't matter which way you're at a deficit, you're at a deficit because you're not seeing what's going on which is fifty fifty.
06:59
S0
I see.
07:00
S1
It's all equal. Kind of. It can't help but be get the mic if you're gonna talk. Yeah. It can't help but be all equal. So if you don't see it as equal, you're not seeing part of it. And he's stuck in there. And the upsets will show up when he gets pulled out a little bit.
07:27
S1
They're bound to because that's defended terrain.
07:32
S1
And then you add a parameter of if you wanna be the one way, but you're really the other way, then that just adds another complication to it all.
07:44
S1
Any other questions?
07:48
S1
Do you perceive that you could practice this a little?
07:50
S0
If it's fifty fifty, how do you take a position?
07:58
S1
Two ways. One is just by taking it, which has to do with the declaration and just playing out eliminating all everything to the contrary. And the other one is being forced into a position
08:15
S1
so that you have no option but to take that role. A perfect example would be what Saddam Hussein has done every time to The US. Who's leading this game? US. Every single part of it.
08:32
S1
He's leading it all all the time,
08:36
S1
and The US thinks they're doing it. They're always the response.
08:41
S1
So what you do is you just eliminate I mean, you say, okay. Now I'm gonna see it a 100%. That's it.
08:48
S0
And you do that because it's useful. I mean, it it gets you to decision, to action, to quietness.
08:55
S1
Yes. And you also do that because then you have a game.
09:02
S1
So how many of you would wanna go see a football game where the ball stays on the 50 yard line?
09:10
S1
No matter what, it stays on the 50 yard line. You got no interest in that game. True? You love it when it gets way over to one side, don't you? That's what you're doing. You're throwing off the balances.
09:26
S2
You do
09:26
S1
God, they're five yards from a touchdown. These these things are just metaphors for what you're doing in your own head. That's why people watch them. Wouldn't need to watch them anymore if they realized what they're doing in their own heads. Because you got the game. It's making up a game.
09:43
S0
It's for fun and stimulation.
09:45
S1
That's all.
09:45
S0
It's entertainment.
09:46
S1
What what else did you think this was all for?
09:51
S1
Heaven forbid, not some sort of seriousness or proving something or really truly getting something done.
09:59
S1
Oh my lord. That would make it difficult.
10:04
S1
That that's what it's all for. It's a game. It's making what isn't more important than what is. That's the nature of a game. So what you do is you say, I'm gonna make it a 100%. I'm gonna be married forever to this one person. Okay. Guess what happens when you do that?
10:23
S1
Beautiful people walk by and wink at you. The person that you're gonna be married to forever passes horrendous gas
10:35
S1
and steps on your foot while dancing.
10:39
S1
So the moment you throw off the balance yourself, everything starts trying to pull it back. Doesn't it?
10:50
S1
Let's stay somewhere near the middle. No points will be scored, but that's okay. We'll just agree to tie at zero zero.
11:04
S1
Because otherwise, if you say, let's let's play the score up a little bit. Tell you what, I'll let you get way down to the end, and I'll let you get a touchdown. And then you let me get one. You could graph the anxiety, couldn't you? Between the time when they get down there and you find out whether or not they're gonna keep their part of the deal.
11:28
S1
So the question is whether or not you're gonna throw the game.
11:35
S2
Wouldn't that be part of the excitement of it? Wouldn't that be part of the excitement of it allowing
11:40
S1
Absolutely part of the excitement of it, and that's the whole point.
11:47
S1
So what would happen if you could do whichever one of these and play it out and balance it out and throw it off to the side? This is the way you find out your relation to life. This is the way you find out your relation to other people. It's the way you find out your relation to the universe rather than just deciding what it is
12:10
S1
and then closing out all data.
12:16
S1
Going back and forth in the extreme between the two has you stay tuned because there's something to pay attention to like where you are. But if you stay in the same one, there's nothing to pay attention to. You become automatic. You go to sleep.
12:33
S0
But since
12:34
S1
And then you just know to respond, and away it goes.
12:38
S0
Cynthia does go both ways, but she does it too shallow. You're saying
12:41
S1
No. She's forced to go both ways.
12:45
S1
I've said this, like, five or six times listening to the tapes. It's you're gonna hear it, but it's difficult to hear. If you're forced to, it doesn't work. This is a very essential thing that she does, which is coming up with the counter examples. If a doctor could come up with the counter examples over and over, it would open him more.
13:09
S1
Not selectively open him. Selectively open him is gonna have him thinking he's in control again.
13:19
S1
I want you to do it so extremely that it becomes obvious that you're not in control.
13:26
S1
And if you do it so extremely that it becomes obvious that you're not in control, what will happen is just at the right place at the right time, the right one will show up over and over and over again. And everybody will score lots of points.
13:45
S1
And everybody will go home with lots of points.
13:53
S1
And they won't even care how many you have because everybody has enough points. Wouldn't that be a neat thing in football? If both teams score over 50 points, then they both win. Do you think the game would be different?
14:10
S1
It wouldn't. Because they'd say, I don't want us both to win. I just want us to win.
14:26
S1
I just can't stand that we both win. Oh, that's a terrible thing.
14:34
S1
Because then I don't know that I'm better than you. And the only way I can really be better than you it's important if I'm gonna be better than you that I'd be different than you. And if I'm gonna be different than you, then I've gotta somehow throw off things and keep them that way.
14:53
S1
Well, that's one way.
14:59
S1
Okay.
15:04
S1
Calvin and
15:09
S1
Robert.
15:13
S1
He's the we we role play here for a moment. He's the externally referenced doctor,
15:23
S1
and he is the internally referenced patient.
15:27
S1
Okay? That's the setup.
15:32
S1
And you are going to be talking about something that I don't make up some little medical something. Okay? Externally reference doctor, internally reference patient. Go.
15:44
S0
You have test results back from your EKG and everything was there in your heart?
15:49
S1
He's being internally referenced.
15:52
S1
I want you externally referenced.
15:57
S1
See, he's playing the role that doctors play. Doctors play, I'm internally referenced.
16:05
S1
I want him to try it externally referenced.
16:09
S0
I'm doing oxymoron here.
16:10
S1
Yes. Yeah. We are.
16:15
S1
We in the last IC course, we had some corporate trainers in there, and they went up in front of the room and ran externally referenced. What do you guys want? What do you and it didn't play very well.
16:33
S1
You might even be able to look around the room and find out which two it was who did that.
16:41
S1
You needed to be internally referenced, not externally referenced, or at least know when to be internally referenced. You have to have the option of being either one. If you're gonna fact find in the company, you need to be externally referenced. But then when it comes time to sell them, you gotta be internally referenced. So you gotta be able to move back and forth between the two with impunity.
17:08
S1
K? Come on, doc.
17:10
S0
You just got done with the treadmill test. How do you feel?
17:19
S1
Do you think you have cancer? We
17:26
S1
could do a biopsy, but I'd be much more interested in your opinion.
17:34
S1
Wouldn't this be a different world?
17:39
S2
Doctor, I just know that something's the matter with you because I I mean, I just hurt all the time. I'm sure I've got a heart attack or cancer or something. I'm just it's just I'm just I can't sleep. I can't do anything. I just I don't know what to do. I just hang all the time, and and I just feel bad. I can sleep, and and then everybody just thinks that I'm okay, but I'm not okay. I know I'm really sleeping. I know it's something. It's gotta be something. It's just me. Yeah. I know you gotta find it. Something's the matter with me.
18:00
S0
Okay. Well, we'll we'll we'll do our best here.
18:03
S1
Nice job, Kelly.
18:06
S2
I see a lot of you.
18:07
S1
It's the it's the internally referencing, help me.
18:23
S1
You get it? That's what we call incongruity. The person's saying, leave me alone. Help me.
18:35
S0
Well, why don't we start with some blood work?
18:37
S2
I don't know. You've done no blood work, but I've been doing good in the I was obviously I've seen some blood work, and nobody's seen I need I don't think that's a bother with me.
18:44
S1
So is this a person who wants to get well? Absolutely not. How many other doctors is he gonna consult? 15. A
18:55
S0
lot. Thanks.
18:57
S1
Do you think he has insurance? Yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. He couldn't afford to do this otherwise. What
19:05
S1
are some other roles in society? Hand the mic to somebody else. Two other people get up. What are some other roles?
19:13
S2
Lawyer client.
19:15
S1
Okay. How
19:19
S1
about let's do restaurant.
19:22
S0
Okay.
19:22
S1
You're going into order. Okay?
19:27
S1
And
19:30
S1
Roshani's up.
19:33
S1
Rashani is placing her order but has absolutely no concept of what she wants. And Barbara works at the restaurant, has for twenty five years, and she still hasn't figured out how anybody could possibly figure out what they want. Oh god. They're both they're both externally referenced.
19:57
S0
I just I keep looking at this menu, and there are so many good things. Like, do you have anything to suggest? There's gotta be something on the menu that you like.
20:14
S0
What do you want? You know, look at the menu.
20:17
S1
Barb's still an internal reference. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta get the external. You're whipping her over the head.
20:26
S1
You get it?
20:30
S0
Well, I like a lot of things on here. Like, I like eggs and and I don't like red meat. I I don't like but I like fish.
20:37
S1
Although I red meat's pretty good, though, isn't
20:41
S0
It used to. I don't know how it tastes now. How how does the red meat taste?
20:51
S2
It's cold.
20:55
S1
I that's where you say, I think it's red.
21:04
S2
I
21:07
S0
think it's red. How do you
21:09
S1
You know, when you come to oxymorons, think about, New York delicatessen and external reference. Any of you ever eat art. Any of you ever eaten in a Mhmm. Where they offend the dickens out of you on purpose?
21:24
S0
It's kind of internal, isn't
21:25
S1
I I'm saying try them on external. Wow. What would you like rather than give me your order? Well, have to study. Right? Yeah. A tongue sandwich for you. That's it. It's tongue. It's written all over you.
21:43
S1
Yeah. So
21:46
S1
now you're internal. She's external.
21:49
S0
Same scenario. Yeah.
21:50
S1
Well, it turns out that they don't have anything that's on the menu. It's all out.
21:57
S0
Oh, yeah. I really want some salmon. I really like salmon. How's your salmon? I
22:05
S1
I have bad news for you.
22:10
S0
You salmon,
22:16
S0
have but it says seafood dressing.
22:21
S1
You get she's still doing other. I mean, she's still doing external. Sorry.
22:28
S1
Oh, shut up.
22:29
S0
Supposed to be doing internal?
22:31
S1
Yes. Oh. She's supposed to be in doing internal. I Oh, that's Appears that these two may be slightly stuck in their programs. It's just possible.
22:44
S1
I want salmon. Produce it.
22:54
S0
That's what she should be saying? Mhmm. As an. I
23:01
S1
will have the salmon.
23:02
S0
There's a seafood market down the street. Can't you just run down the desk?
23:08
S1
Still external? You got it? Yeah. She, like, thinks it's good to be external?
23:13
S0
Well, this is the first time I really felt in external.
23:18
S1
Okay. You hear Barb's conversations in her head? This lady's wrong.
23:27
S0
So I'll go get her salmon. Would that be the external?
23:31
S1
But you're gonna be making her wrong the whole way.
23:36
S1
So the internal remains.
23:38
S0
Yeah.
23:39
S1
So you need to practice.
23:43
S0
Well,
23:45
S1
everybody ends up wrong
23:48
S1
for an external because it never can be their fault because it's always everything's outside themselves. They can't make themselves right either.
24:02
S1
All the wrong and all the right exists out there. None of it exists inside.
24:06
S0
Be judgmental.
24:09
S1
Oh, they have nothing but judgments
24:12
S1
about everything out there, but she's running internal still.
24:18
S1
Just to notice. Yeah. K. So you get to practice that.
24:27
S1
Any other setups? One more setup if you come up with it.
24:32
S0
Would you be salespeople?
24:34
S1
Sure. Salesperson. Who's involved in sales? Okay.
24:43
S1
Joe?
24:46
S1
Internally referenced client, Joe is? Externally referenced salesperson, who's that? Steve.
24:57
S1
What are we selling? Widgets.
25:00
S2
I don't know. What are you selling?
25:05
S1
You should know that.
25:08
S2
Should I?
25:11
S0
Are you looking for any widgets, Joe?
25:15
S0
No.
25:20
S1
Yes. Are?
25:23
S1
Oops.
25:29
S1
Why did you call me here? Oh,
25:34
S1
that hurt.
25:37
S1
Steve wants to hide back in the internal.
25:41
S2
I didn't call you. What are you doing here?
25:49
S1
He wants to retreat. You watching it? Yeah. He wants to go back in and check and make sure he's still alive. You don't need to do it. If he forces you to go back in, then what you're modeling out is running your patterns more. Don't need to do it.
26:12
S1
Paralysis is a way of life. Come on. Just stay out. If you stay out, there's no fear. There's no problem. But if you go back in,
26:27
S1
you you aren't gonna wanna get out again very soon.
26:30
S0
I just add all these widgets that seem like thing that you wanted.
26:37
S1
I don't need that kind of widget.
26:42
S0
What kind of widget do you need?
26:46
S2
None today.
26:49
S1
You see why you're awful at sales? Mhmm. It's because you let them just get you, so you have to be responder. Right there, you stayed in you stayed out when you would have normally gone in Mhmm. And you could keep playing. If they force you to go in, it's like they're the rainstorm when you went inside.
27:11
S1
You follow? Mhmm. So we're not only talking this pattern, but we're also talking the ability to sustain one, Cynthia, in the face of all of the opportunities to retreat.
27:24
S1
France says, I'm gonna go ahead and hide back outside again. And Steve says, I'm gonna reserve the right to go back inside and hide. Either way, it's hiding. It doesn't matter where you're hiding if you're forced into it. But right there, you bypass when you were gonna go back in and stayed out and it worked. He got more interested even though he didn't want to. Yeah. Because
27:51
S1
the opportunity you have and the the only contribution you can possibly make to another human being is not running your patterns one more time. And what we're doing this weekend is having you find out what your patterns are so you don't have to run them one more time. But you watched, there was a sale made there. A widget didn't transfer position yet, but there was a little bit of a sale made. Joe loosened up. And what Joe was forced to do is come out.
28:24
S1
You get it? So by him staying out in his in the external reference, Joe had to leave his internal reference a little bit, which had him soften regarding the widgets.
28:40
S1
I mean, I'm I'm explaining a little thing a lot, but it's these little things that matter.
28:50
S1
So you stayed out. Yes. And you're weller. You're more well. It
28:59
S1
may look little, but everything big is made out of all kinds of little things.
29:10
S1
So he's now got an example of when he went, did something other than his patterns, and it worked. Uh-huh.
29:19
S1
Strike went up for not necessarily being a lizard all the time.
29:27
S2
It was a lot harder to to stay inside Yeah. The position.
29:32
S2
I had to at least
29:33
S1
come out and play a little bit.
29:36
S2
Yeah. Because
29:37
S0
I I even saw Joe
29:40
S1
Get the mic.
29:42
S0
I even saw Joe give pictures of what widgets he wanted.
29:45
S1
Couldn't help it.
29:46
S0
And then Steve could see the widgets that he wanted for the very first time.
29:50
S1
So they danced. And if he had gone back inside where he automatically goes, the dance wouldn't have happened. What if you could develop sufficient flexibility with these that you could do anyone, anytime to dance. I'm how about converting all those battles to dances? And this is on only one of these programs, and we're gonna do a whole lot of them throughout the weekend.
30:20
S1
Think of your ex wife and how you've locked into which one of these you do, which is external pretending to be internal. What does she do?
30:34
S2
She's very internal, I feel like.
30:38
S1
She runs the same thing he does, which is external pretending to be internal. Can absolutely not be trusted. So if you put two people together who run external pretending to thinking that they're internal, what are you gonna get? You're gonna you're
31:00
S1
the sooner, the better.
31:02
S2
It didn't last long. Less than a year.
31:05
S1
What you're gonna get is you're gonna get people betting with their insecurity. He puts a certain amount of insecurity on the table. She puts some insecurity on the table. He puts it gets shakier and shakier.
31:23
S1
You get it? She pretends to be internally referenced. When it
31:30
S2
for hers like I fell for mine. I fell for hers like I fell for mine.
31:33
S1
Precisely.
31:38
S1
You see what just happened? Mhmm. What'd he do?
31:43
S0
He he saw he went inside.
31:45
S1
He went out and then back in and got smart data. You get that wasn't painted with a big brush? Yeah. That was data that you went, that's it. Yeah. That's it. That's the kind of data that's available to everybody all the time
32:06
S1
if they aren't committed to the patterns.
32:11
S1
Because what he just said was smarter than Calvin is if Calvin's the sum total of his parents.
32:21
S1
But he's much more than that. Thank goodness. Otherwise, why would the Calvinists still be so popular?
32:31
S1
Point well taken.
32:37
S2
Right. Yeah.
32:39
S1
No. I don't.
32:52
S1
It's funny. Yours was funnier than mine. I love that.
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She
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needs to repeat hers. It's over. She
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said he doesn't need us right now. Meaning, the whole game was being generated over here. He just nailed me. That's all. I love that.
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Remember me always. Hallmark card.
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It's a small price to pay for people still talking about you, isn't it?
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Holy cow.
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I'm gonna continue in that vein if we don't watch.
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You can just keep saying that.
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Get this one?
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You get that there could be some practice and play available with this one?
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Okay.
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Enter the plumber.
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We're gonna need about five minutes for me to slow down so we can tackle another one. Okay? I think we've about
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set this one up so it's over in your arena to play with it.
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Does that make sense?
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So take five, and we'll come on back into the next one.
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Is a little thing. Think of some people in your life who's internally referenced and who's externally referenced
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to where I trained to be a master practitioner of NLP. We had to turn in there was 20 or 30 different sheets with all of the meta programs that they had marked for people. So we had to do these sorts of assessments on 20 or 30 people.
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But if I walk over and I'm more internally referenced than he is, his internal reference bows to mine.
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If you're more externally referenced than they are, far more externally referenced than they are, they're gonna look relatively internally referenced.
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It's kinda like the the meek apologizing to the meek for being meek.
35:48
S0
Are the meta programs that we do here, do they all come from NLP?
35:52
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No. About two thirds of them come from NLP, but they aren't done the way that NLP does them here.
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And the other third is from our stuff.
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Next one. And then most of your ICs, we did this one, but we'll find out how we do it now. And it comes next because it fits beautifully with this one we just did,
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which is self, selfless, switch,
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and simultaneous.
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So we're running over it fast here, and you'll get it, and then you'll learn it as we go. Self is there's only me.
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There's not me in comparison with them. There's only me. That's it. This is narcissism, period. Selfless is there's only you.
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You get how this would relate to internal, external a little bit. And yet it is not the same.
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And it is not a subset of it. And they can relate very differently, but they do relate. Switch is there's only me and you're me.
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Simultaneous is there's me and there's you.
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There's me and there's you, and that's the way it is. So I understand yours and I understand mine. Switches, I understand mine and yours is just the same as mine.
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Self is me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
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And selfless is
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just you. So it's just you, but then if I go like this, then it's just her. You're dead meat. And oh, now those two both died and it's just her.
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So selfless is like a pinball machine. You better be very careful with your surroundings because you are them.
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You're the surroundings.
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Get them? So it's where is
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your attention? Where is the reference? Where does the authority reside?
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Or even and that's it's where is existence.
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This is I exists. This is you exists. This is we exist. This is
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kind of extended exist.
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And the thing that you wanna say with switches, it's
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if you just knew what I know, you would agree with me entirely all the time.
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There are specific challenges to use with these four.
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If somebody runs self, you wanna say to them, what do they think?
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What does so and so think? If Peggy runs self, I would say, Peggy, what what do you think Cynthia thinks?
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So she'd have to get out of herself.
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For selfless, you say, what do you think?
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Well, they'd say, what do you think? No. What do you think? And it's a battle to find out where it's gonna be. For switch,
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you say there's nothing you can do about that.
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There's just nothing you can do about that because that's saying it's outside their realm. But see, they're saying my realm is me and everything else out here too. You're saying there's something outside of it by saying there's nothing you can do about it. And they go, yes, there is.
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And they just show you the pattern.
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Some of you who run switch, if I just say there's nothing you can do about that, you go, well, it must be something I can do about it. There has to be something.
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Simultaneous, what you say to them is you say you can't have it both ways, Cynthia.
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You can't. It has to be one way or the other. Which way do you want it?
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So that's the challenge that you use for those to determine what's going on. Now what do you do?
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Is this the one that runs
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so close?
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Is this the one that runs so close to the internal experts for Cynthia?
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Yes.
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It is.
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What do you do?
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Self.
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Is that accurate?
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I think there's an awful lot more switch than there is just self.
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And one of the ways we find that out is how often other people are wrong. And then the stories he tells how often they didn't get it yet
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and how
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you follow?
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Many of his stories that I've heard are about someone else
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and how there was something wrong in in the way that it worked between him and them. And guess who was right?
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Have you got any stories where you were really wrong?
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S2
Not today.
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I I mean it, though. Search. Yeah. Tell us one, please.
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Do it with the same enthusiasm you do when you tell those stories about how they're wrong.
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I set up a set of stairs one time to the guys to how to lay them out and stuff and went all the way through the whole thing, got them all set up, and was dragging on them the whole time about making sure things were right and got to the point of coming to form, and they were set up wrong.
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And they were set up the way you had told them to set them up?
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Yep. K.
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You get switch? So he holds the whole world at bay out here by knowing himself how it should be. One of the ways I know this is the way you and I connected immediately because if you ran self, you wouldn't even know I was there.
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You knew I was there and decided I was okay. A self doesn't do that. A self that it's just not there.
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So self and internal I mean, switch and internal, how does that play together?
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Try it on. What if you switch an internal?
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I I mean, it plays like Terry. I I understand they're they're a dart. But how does it play? Does this work? Any conflicts here?
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S0
I get arrogance when I try to
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S1
You would because it bounces against your patterns. So watch out for your patterns in the assessment of this.
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S0
I think I run that sometimes.
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S1
You do.
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I'm not asking how it plays regarding other people necessarily. I'm asking how it plays regarding himself.
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What is the likelihood that there's gonna be a wrench in the works if you run switch, which is there's only me and you're all me and internal?
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S0
High highly likely. Not so. No. Then
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S1
No possibility for a wrench in the works because nothing is outside. The horses can't get out because there's no out.
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S0
But he's relying on all his own data
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S1
That's it.
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S0
To make his judgments.
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That's what I'm saying. So it's internally consistent, which now if you wanna look in a much bigger sense is a problem. But within him, it's no problem because the locations, it's all encompassed.
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S0
So it makes no difference that he's working with other people in his office. Or
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He doesn't care.
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They're all wrong.
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There wasn't a he wasn't even wrong when he told them to put the stairs wrong. Did you get that? Yeah. He wasn't even wrong then.
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S0
That's why he doesn't like me because I'm switched.
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S1
I don't think that's why. I think it's because you remind him of his old an old girlfriend.
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S0
Right. Or he doesn't like chocolate or something like
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that. Yeah. Something like that. I don't think he doesn't like you, as a matter of fact. I think this is an awful lot like flirting.
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S1
I think that he is so bowled over by you and so stunned by you that he has to defend more aggressively regarding you?
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S2
I think you gotta reevaluate this.
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S1
Who cares what you think?
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Even given the juice I just got out of the story, you would so suggest that I reevaluate
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Watch the repercussions are still going on.
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I just I sense the magnetism there.
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S1
See, we're stepping on the switch. The switch is going, boy, he's never gonna catch on. He
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really doesn't get it. And then yet, watch because also and this is tough to see. But the the external that's going on because internal and external, remember, they're both going on. A little bit of the external goes, really?
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S1
Did you watch it? Because a little bit of that goes, really? You get how you could start having fun with people regarding these programs?
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S1
I promise you in your IC course, I use these against you regularly and with you.
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S0
Yeah. I think you probably answered, but I just it didn't seem to me that it seemed that whether or not he liked her was all in her head because I can't see that he would go outside enough to find somebody that
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S1
He did.
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S0
He did.
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Before And that's your evidence. Yes. Absolutely. She got him.
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S0
Okay. So
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S1
She nailed him, and he still has not forgiven her for it.
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S1
She got in past the patterns. He's offended by her.
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S1
And this is she went right in on the external. She wrote her external right in his external that doesn't get monitored by him because that's a pathway that things don't get in on.
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And it got in and he's still pissed. So this is one way that this pattern doesn't work very well, which is he can carry a grudge forever. Now
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S1
it's not a problem for him to carry a grudge forever because so what? I'm just carrying a grudge forever.
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Now it does store in muscles in his body and stuff like that, but, I mean, who the heck cares?
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So what do you do?
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Self selfless switch simultaneous.
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S0
It seems like I'm I'm lately, I've been going between self selfless and switch. Just in a different in a different situation.
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K. What's she doing right here?
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S2
Switch. Switch.
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So much. Selfless. Selfless.
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S1
Good answer.
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When you get the confusion, go deeper
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S1
because that confusion is on a fairly superficial level. Now again, watch out because watch out how it's hitting yours. And remember that this one does interact with the internal external. She's tricking you on internal external. We got that. Did you think she wouldn't trick you on this one?
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S0
I forgot again.
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S1
She gonna trick you on this one too.
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Margaret says self.
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As you learn your own patterns, you're gonna be able to factor your patterns out so you just see theirs.
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That's good fun.
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Ever wish you could disappear?
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And and then you could, like, watch people without them knowing you're watching or go anywhere you wanted or do whatever you wanted anytime, anywhere. That's what factoring yourself out allows you to do is to disappear. They won't even see you.
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S1
Can be walking through the grocery store, factor your patterns out, and nobody I mean, they'll they'll stand at the checkout waiting somebody to come, and you're right there because they can't see you. It's the interaction of these that produces the perturbation that has them sense.
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S1
What does she do, ladies and gentlemen? Let's get a consensus here.
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S0
Must be sound cleaners.
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That's what I get. Don't you get? I get self,
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S1
and she used to run a bunch of other on the surface of that. I think she's moved down a layer to where it's there's the self running. Does she care what our opinion is about this? No. I guess not. I could, she says.
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S1
Self internal
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S0
We're really not here. That's the two buffers that were not here.
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S1
It's taken care of.
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S1
So that may be a ring that's harder to leave.
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S1
Because those two aren't gonna bounce you out of it. And yet she still may be ready to leave, that one.
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But it is the exclusion of almost everything.
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Next.
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S0
After the last last mean, I think the last last course, I ran simultaneous. And today, I think I'm on switch.
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S0
I'm gonna put that switch this week.
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S1
What was it?
53:38
S0
Sounded like simultaneous.
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It's all simultaneous. It's here I am, here you are, here I am, here you are. Absolutely not self because she's got her attention way hanging out here.
53:53
S1
Appears to me to still be simultaneous. You care what they say? Yeah. See it?
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S0
See it. I love to like
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S1
But yet
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S0
come over here and
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S2
make a run.
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S1
But see, those of you who run other intensely need to learn to do this.
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S1
Keep the reference in here and have the reference out here. So you've just added another reference to it.
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S1
I I think you think there's something wrong with that.
54:21
S0
I I I guess I'm I'm not
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S1
Well, that would provide you hours of entertainment. To think that what you're doing is wrong. Hey. Not only can I not help doing this, but it's wrong?
54:44
S1
What was the was in big man on campus, the line. The guy likes depression because it it's an inexpensive way of showing yourself a bad time.
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S1
Is that about fit for it? There's nothing wrong with simultaneous. As a matter of fact, if I were you, I'd use that rascal. In your occupation, that should be a tremendous asset.
55:10
S0
But I
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S1
got Because they're gonna all get suckered into whatever you wanna propose.
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S1
But you got
55:17
S0
I got scared after the last IC course because you said that people that run simultaneous will lose it all.
55:23
S1
Oh, yeah. But that's just a little thing.
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S1
I would not sweat the details if I were you.
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S2
I would sweat the details. It
55:37
S1
doesn't mean that you're gonna ride the roller coaster all the way down.
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S2
Oh, I think it's more fun than life. It
55:47
S1
depends upon your definition of fun, I believe.
55:54
S1
And I'm not sure you're riding it. I think you might be it.
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S1
Okay?
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S1
It doesn't matter. And the moment you resist it, absolutely guarantees that it will keep running. And if you observe it instead and observe it and observe it and observe it, it will not be long before you add alternatives to it. And today, and I don't think we did much of that in your IC if any, you're going get to practice doing the different ones which will set up some alternatives in there. Okay?
56:39
S0
So how does being switch and external
56:45
S0
you you referenced earlier talking to me about the like that pattern
56:49
S1
Okay.
56:49
S0
Being closed.
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S1
How does switch an external work together? Try it on. Remember, this is called chinking it down. Switch, meaning I know and you will catch on that this is the right answer.
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S0
Won't you?
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S1
And there's only you. Yeah. I know, and you'll catch on, won't you?
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S0
So that makes it a softer switch.
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S1
So the yes. And the question you wanna ask in the process there is how long do you have to be detached?
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S0
That's the external part.
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S1
In other word yes. Well, no. The two That's that's the movement between the two. You have to move between the two because in switch, there's no room for external. So you have to move between the two. The question with any of these VIPs is how many shifts of attention do they demand by their very existence? And we've now got two
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S1
and one shift of attention required. You follow? With Terry, we've got two and no shifts of attention required. So that's more economical.
58:10
S0
Okay. Yeah.
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S1
Now more economical doesn't necessarily mean better. It might mean mean it makes it more difficult to break up because there's not an open space between the two.
58:23
S0
But being is it there's so tell me the difference. Being not not attached to something. The way you describe those two patterns in conjunction sounds similar to not being attached. But not being attached
58:43
S0
isn't that
58:43
S1
You're you're missing something very important here again, and I'm gonna say it
58:47
S0
again. Okay.
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S1
If you're forced to not be attached,
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it doesn't count.
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S0
I'm doing this for everybody else's benefit.
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S1
Once again.
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S0
That that'll be the last
59:05
S1
Did you notice that that term is a little peculiar? Once again.
59:12
S2
Twice again.
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S1
Twice again, three times again.
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S1
Mhmm. If you're forced to not be attached, you're removed.
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S1
Are She's gonna do it again.
59:30
S0
I wanna ask you. One more time. So you're suggesting that I
59:33
S1
become Do love her active or what?
59:35
S0
Becoming really attached to something? Become attached to things.
59:38
S1
Absolutely. If you're removed.
59:42
S1
If you're forced into nonattachment, you need attached to it? Yes.
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S1
Who else?
59:52
S0
Not such a deep switch anymore.
1:00:02
S1
Compared to what? I I I think she's playing your reactions. You
1:00:11
S1
didn't pick that reaction,
1:00:15
S1
and I think you're misreading.
1:00:21
S1
She said what she just said, and you had to react.
1:00:28
S1
Was that reaction a contribution to her?
1:00:33
S1
Or was it one more reinforcement of reaction in the universe? That
1:00:41
S1
wasn't funny. It did contain data. And if you took your first reaction, which a number of you did, you missed it.
1:00:52
S1
In any of this stuff, you do not get judged by where you are. You do not get judged by the programs you run. You get judged by the programs you run-in relation to the ones that you ran yesterday, last week, last month, last year. Progress is a relative thing and it's only relative to you.
1:01:21
S1
It's relative to you a year ago. It's not relative to you to somebody else. That's mixing apples and oranges. That doesn't work. Relative to what Peggy used to run, I don't know that many people who have made that much progress.
1:01:45
S1
And if you run your reaction to it, you miss that. She
1:01:51
S1
could still be switching you and switching you so much less.
1:01:58
S1
When I look at Peggy when she did the IC course and I look at Peggy now, there's an argument for that this is not the same species.
1:02:10
S1
Yes? Somebody asked me And it moves me to tears.
1:02:15
S0
Are you the troublemaker on the tape?
1:02:20
S1
So watch out for your own reactions. She's got you nailed
1:02:26
S1
because she can just say a few words and you have to react.
1:02:31
S0
So I am running as deep a switch?
1:02:33
S1
I don't think so. I I don't think anywhere near as deep a switch. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if over and over and over again, you're crossing over into simultaneous.
1:02:47
S1
As problematic as that may be for you physically,
1:02:53
S1
Did you watch the physical go on with it just then? I
1:03:00
S0
thought you got some air in there, though.
1:03:02
S1
She did.
1:03:04
S1
I mean, physically, like, she might have a body.
1:03:13
S2
It
1:03:13
S1
So if I were you, I'd start thinking simultaneous.
1:03:16
S0
Okay. Because I have thought it was
1:03:19
S1
selfless.
1:03:21
S1
Is that okay with you? Yeah.
1:03:25
S1
Do you just watch her do it several times here? Run the simultaneous? That was that.
1:03:39
S0
Softless with a big switch underneath.
1:03:42
S1
Big switch.
1:03:48
S1
That is welcome to come out anytime it wants, and it is not a blatant switch. It is a covert sneaky nasty switch. And that doesn't mean that's all the way down. That's just something that she has to observe sufficiently to get underneath that one.
1:04:15
S1
But if she keeps on going out to selfless,
1:04:20
S1
she won't observe the switch often enough to move through it. You don't change these necessarily, although we're gonna play exercises of playing around changing them. But you notice it, and you notice it, and you notice it. And what's under the switch? Now there's a question.
1:04:45
S1
She won't know yet
1:04:49
S1
because the switch has not revealed itself sufficiently. The switch not only needs to reveal itself, but it needs to get less covert.
1:05:01
S1
And that's why the day was fairly liberating for a month or two ago when we gave her a bad day.
1:05:12
S1
Remember the bad day? What did bad stand
1:05:15
S0
for? Blatant blatant advice day.
1:05:19
S1
Blatant advice day. I assigned her a bad day.
1:05:26
S1
She was to give blatant advice to every human being she met. That was to bring the switch out front.
1:05:36
S1
And she switched them, didn't you? And it gave her more energy. Look at it. Because that's the further you go in, the more energy you get and the less constricted it is. So she moves in and there it is.
1:05:56
S1
So switch has to express itself tremendously and then it needs to get down on its knees and beg for forgiveness.
1:06:06
S1
That's the way through that one.
1:06:11
S1
But not necessarily right close together. It may have to
1:06:16
S1
beat up a lot of things first.
1:06:18
S2
Who would you ask for forgiveness for?
1:06:21
S1
The last person in the world who you want to. The absolutely last one. Me.
1:06:31
S1
I don't think you're quite that high on the list, but I think you're working toward it. Today,
1:06:39
S1
I think you got it. The absolute last person. This starts to make sense, doesn't it? Mhmm. This comes back to my line
1:06:52
S1
that the aliens are all over out there, and they're gonna come down and land and spend some time with us. They're just hovering out there, by the way. They're gonna come spend some time with us when you love the person on the planet who you could never love.
1:07:09
S1
Because once we've resolved it with ourselves, then we'll be ready for somebody truly peculiar to come and join us so we can learn how to resolve it with them.
1:07:21
S1
Okay. So explore the switch.