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00:09
S0
When I got got
00:10
S1
his pictures, they were photographs
00:12
S0
and not like, my pictures are, you know, the movements. So I it's just boom. Good. Like like but I could see it. So then, like you said, I I I
00:21
S2
need to move. So a lot of this comes down to speed, which is his or individual pictures.
00:31
S2
But so as a movie, it all depends on how fast you are. And in order to keep them thing, he has to keep synchronized with them so that he's moving with them. Because if he's moving with them, then there is no movement. If he isn't moving with them, if he stays stationary for a moment, it becomes activity.
00:56
S2
And so anything that's moving is inconvenient to a things order in general because it's a threat.
01:06
S2
Who else?
01:07
S3
Seem like I'm always talking about place. I'm gonna go with place.
01:14
S2
Adar says no. What does Adar say it is?
01:21
S2
Go ahead. Say it. You can say it. Person. Oh. God.
01:28
S2
Try again. Say the one that you are. Bing.
01:36
S2
Nope.
01:41
S2
That's what they call a setup.
01:44
S2
What do you get? Information.
01:49
S1
Well
01:52
S2
Karen. Calvin is truly well rounded. Karen, get the mic, please. Oh, yeah. Tell us about your weekend, Calvin.
02:01
S0
It's a good weekend. Thanks.
02:05
S3
About my weekend? Well Open mic up. It
02:10
S3
was mostly trying to get ready to come here, mowing the yard, finish my fast. So doing the activities that I do to get off the fast, cleaning the car, mowing the yard. Do
02:26
S2
Do you have any doubt?
02:30
S2
Has absolutely no doubt.
02:35
S2
Do you know where your confusion comes in?
02:37
S0
That he doesn't have the database there.
02:40
S2
The only difference between information and thing is speed.
02:46
S2
That's the only difference between the only difference between the information and thing is speed, which is that information is faster.
03:00
S2
Information is the data about it rather than it's stopping. It stopped and the data about it kept going a little further all the way to you.
03:16
S0
I was earlier, was gonna say, you know, I would say information.
03:20
S2
But You gotta you gotta get the image. It's important that you get this image. So there's the car, and it's driving along. Right? And it's this happened last night. We're turning the corner to go to Patton Pilar's place and there's this black car there and it I went, what's that? So the car was stopped behind the car at a stop sign but its data was still getting to me. The data regarding the car was still getting to me even though it itself had stopped there.
03:55
S2
It's a black lotus, not the flower, the car. So the data was travels further than the thing. It kind of has a area around it that's the data.
04:14
S2
So then what you need to determine if we're questioning whether it's information or thing is how far away Calvin can be and still get it and how far it travels when Calvin talks about it. Can Calvin give it to you?
04:38
S2
Let me have it.
04:40
S0
We discovered earlier that Calvin can't doesn't have much access to what's going on here, and that's that filter is he's got tons of information going on, but it can't come out here. When he says the word lawnmower or car, he's got I I I hear a lot of extra data going on with it that doesn't get through. You
05:00
S2
mowed the lawn? Yes. I request that you tell us about the lawnmower.
05:05
S0
It's reading the newspaper.
05:09
S2
He was pretending to read the newspaper.
05:12
S0
Holding it.
05:12
S2
A lot of people do that in Texas.
05:18
S3
Well, it's a five horsepower lawn mower. It's rather old. It's had it for a number of years.
05:24
S3
It's kind of a clucker, but I keep it running by continually cleaning the car rider and changing the points, plugs, and when things fall on it
05:31
S2
Do you know what spark plug it takes?
05:35
S3
J 12.
05:39
S2
I stand corrected. I wrote things. She wrote information.
05:46
S0
Peggy's best friend.
05:50
S2
Peggy and Calvin up a tree talking, talking, data, data, data.
05:56
S3
Get a lot of data. Get a lot of data.
05:58
S0
Yes. J
06:03
S2
12? Yes.
06:04
S3
Champion. J 12.
06:06
S2
Do you know what the gap is?
06:08
S3
Yes. I gap it at 20,000.
06:14
S2
That's information.
06:19
S2
That's not entertainment. It's information. You know what I get mine at? Whatever they come at. Like about
06:29
S3
But according to the manual, that's not the proper way to
06:30
S2
do it. Like about this like about this wide.
06:37
S2
I hold them up and say, yeah. There's a gap.
06:44
S2
Think of me as quality control head of Mercedes Benz.
06:50
S2
Yeah. That fits in there. There's hardly any wobble in that cylinder. Thanks.
07:03
S2
I was on the way to it, but I just haven't quite gotten there yet. Okay.
07:09
S2
What color is the lawnmower?
07:12
S3
Black and gray. K.
07:15
S2
Which part's black? Motor. And who made the motor?
07:21
S3
Briggs and Stratton.
07:22
S2
Do you know where they're located? Right up here.
07:26
S3
I believe so. Milwaukee, Wisconsin, I believe.
07:30
S2
I believe you're right. Do know you who the president of the company is?
07:41
S3
You would have me on that one. I'm sorry. Okay.
07:46
S2
That too is information.
07:48
S0
Okay.
07:50
S2
If you want to know really who's an information sorter, that's it right there. That's pretty thorough, isn't it? Mhmm. Okay.
08:04
S2
Who's next?
08:08
S3
Paying and I've done information in the past.
08:14
S2
Here's where you check it out with yourself. You go, any people? Uh-uh. Any information?
08:26
S2
Some information?
08:29
S2
Any activity.
08:32
S2
He would just as soon sit there forever, wouldn't he? I
08:38
S2
mean, there he is.
08:42
S2
You can even tell you can even trust your own eyes if you look at them and they seem to be moving. You may just have an activity sorter. See, Pat's not just sitting here.
08:54
S2
She's doing things. She's doing things she's done before and she's doing things she's gonna do next. She's not there. This
09:04
S2
is a very, very temporary hummingbird halt.
09:16
S3
The waves are moving so fast. Can't see it.
09:21
S2
Les and I say, Pat,
09:24
S2
we're kind of like company in your house. Would you like to just sit here with us? No.
09:35
S2
She thinks the Leaning Tower Of Pisa is falling.
09:47
S2
No. It's just leaning.
09:55
S2
That's all it's doing is leaning. She really does see it as falling.
10:02
S2
That's another way you test. It's the pizza test. Pizza test.
10:10
S2
Any doubt of it? A dance between information and activity? I mean, information and thing? Two posts on the Yeah. We do. They're the posts.
10:23
S2
Okay. You decide who to give it to.
10:28
S2
That's the way you offend it. Who to give it to?
10:33
S1
Uh-oh. Personally, people,
10:37
S0
but this week have been running a lot of activity.
10:43
S0
I got back from let yourself go on Sunday with Zoe and Jeff and Pat. And we
10:59
S0
had breakfast afterward, and then
11:05
S0
Monday
11:06
S2
She care about the having breakfast? Mm-mm. She care who she had breakfast with?
11:11
S0
Yep. Yes. Yes.
11:13
S2
She's seeing them?
11:15
S1
Yes. Mhmm.
11:17
S2
How many other people are in her pictures?
11:21
S2
Lots of people up there.
11:25
S2
Her ongoing battle with her father is he wants her to do activity and she just wants to do people, I think.
11:34
S2
There's another one where if she admits she does people,
11:40
S2
the whole room softens up.
11:44
S2
Okay?
11:47
S2
She can't even do activity. You get it?
12:01
S0
I have an information disorder.
12:10
S2
Sharon silently begs to differ. What do you think she does?
12:19
S2
I say go ahead, Calvin. What the heck? He's got the data. This morning,
12:27
S3
we kinda met each other at the same place for breakfast, and she was describing her insults. And it was like, well, we went through the telephone book. We found this thing that had cursive writing instead of the other writing, and we called. You know? It was just kinda like a very technical type thing, you know, with these particular names for this particular reason. And
12:45
S2
So Calvin's doing what she does. What's he doing? Playing.
12:52
S1
Playing or information.
12:56
S2
Activity and information. Both together. Because what she does when she started to figure out what she was, she went. There was movement in it. You get it? And it was information. I hear you. We haven't done that one yet.
13:16
S0
No. But I think it's the metaprogram. It's very different than Calvin's that makes it look like it's
13:24
S2
I agree.
13:26
S0
She's got another metaprogram underneath there that's very different than Calvin's that makes this look like activity, which is the difference we'll get to it is active passive. So active means she's going after it all the time, and Calvin's kind of sitting back.
13:39
S2
So she's going after the information Yeah. And Calvin's waiting for the information to reveal itself. She'd have a different truck if she went looking for a truck yesterday. There's no way she wouldn't if she wanted one, and she would have the one she wanted.
14:01
S2
Okay? I mean, that would just be taken care of by that program. And it isn't in you by your programs. And it was obvious before you went out that it wasn't going to be.
14:13
S3
Is it going through tonight?
14:14
S0
Take her with you.
14:17
S4
You're You're gonna gonna be have me my buy truck. A truck.
14:20
S2
It's really true.
14:24
S2
She'd be worth a little finder's fee to find you a truck because she will get the salespeople moving. It will take less time to get out to the vehicle to show it to you with her along.
14:41
S2
No. We don't need to see that one. No. We don't need to see that one. This one, I'd like to see where is it.
14:46
S2
And you go, show what do you have?
14:52
S2
You are so polite. I think it may very well be not activity. It may be strictly information in the active list. I was going for it.
15:08
S2
Okay. Who else? What do
15:09
S4
you do?
15:11
S2
God, it doesn't work for Zoe to be information, does it? It really it it it throws you into a tizzy to have so little information and be sorting for information.
15:29
S2
It's just like, I'm in the competition for the world's smallest database. We
15:37
S2
have the answer to one thing almost.
15:42
S0
What do you recommend I do about that?
15:46
S2
Let me tell you specifically what I would suggest for you.
15:56
S0
Oops. Jerry, is her next layer possibly people?
16:01
S2
I hope so.
16:05
S2
I'm hoping it is.
16:08
S2
Because that fits much better.
16:13
S2
Wouldn't surprise me if it's people. But this one is a strange little brew here. Not see, you're gonna suffer over that now.
16:28
S2
If you keep watching it, if you watch yourself to see the the the only game here is to stay awake.
16:38
S2
The whole point of these silly patterns is so that you wake up so you can watch them. Because if you wake up so that you can watch them, they'll start changing and provide incredible entertainment for you. But if you don't wake up so you can watch them, they'll just go ahead and play out your life.
16:59
S2
Get it? And you keep thinking it's about changing them. That's about noticing them and staying awake and you're currently awake more of the time than I've ever seen you awake. That's the celebration but don't go away to celebrate. Okay. I'll go sell. No. Stay and celebrate.
17:27
S2
Who's next? Let's zip through these guys. Activity.
17:35
S3
I'm open for suggestions.
17:39
S0
She's got a lot of data. Mhmm. This one detail.
17:46
S2
So tell us about something from a month ago,
17:51
S2
or tell us about when you got back.
17:55
S3
See,
17:57
S3
think I'm gonna taint the story because I'm because I'm
18:00
S2
Don't worry about it. We'll get it anyway. The just to know how easy it is to taint the story, I've had people who have worked with these with us. Well,
18:15
S2
I've led workshops where we talked about these. I remember one six month workshop where we had one meeting a month for six months and we started talking about these. This is a number of years ago. And I'm standing in the front of the room and I'm talking about the kind of people who sort for place are people who it's important to them where they go, and they're the kind of people who I describe all of these through my people sort. And Lester, my friend is sitting in the back of the room just doubled over laughing because he saw that I was doing it all through the people sort that I I mean, you get it. I was only running my filter. And this is after I'd studied it. So don't worry. If you're that good at mixing them up, go for it. Ask him a question or two, guys, and watch his answer. This is the way you find out. You just talk to him. They will let you know. They'll tell you exactly what they do. I realized I've been giving them too little data. You guys gotta learn to do this rather than just trust that I can do it.
19:29
S0
What what happened last night after the course?
19:35
S3
Me and Pat and
19:36
S5
Margaret set off on the task to insult people. And
19:42
S3
I noticed running other like, she would go to Randall's or she would go to Beatrix and Pat was more let's just go there. Let's see if she was very directive with the tell her she was throwing out a lot of good suggestions where to go, and Margaret was more resistant with going almost any place.
20:03
S3
So I found myself relying on Pat's strength to to push us through this exercise that we both kinda not wanting to do.
20:15
S2
Activity. People. People. People and activity. No people.
20:20
S3
Don't need to put activity. I need more information. Information. It's on a different level.
20:24
S2
Of the things to notice is the moment he starts to express an activity, he gets more energy. As soon as he starts to say an activity, he gets energy. My suspicion is that you have a dance here
20:42
S2
of activity and thing.
20:46
S2
That he gets a thrill at getting things moving.
20:52
S2
That's my guess.
20:57
S1
Is this not
20:58
S3
very important
20:58
S0
to him?
20:59
S2
This particular I don't think it's very important to him. That's why you're getting the latitude that he has. When something's very important to you, you'll be very specific on it. And I think that this is not a huge rock in his stream and that that's one of the things that throws you off just a little bit. But what you wanna talk do is talk to him and find out where the energy comes in them. Not where a mass of energy comes like just the energy but where his energy rises and when it lowers. Because generally, if you're not infinitely confident, your energy will vary depending on how good your data is or how comfortable you are in that circumstance. You get it? And every time he goes in activity, up goes the energy a little bit, and yet I keep getting a nagging thing in there.
22:00
S2
Chiropractic. And he's gotta get it moving to make it his practice.
22:10
S2
So it's his practice, and he's gotta get it going.
22:15
S2
Jumpstart. That's our nickname for Jeff today. Let's call him jump start.
22:24
S2
And
22:26
S2
in spite of the fact that he has a tremendous amount of information in there, which he does, I don't think the information is that relevant to him. I think he used to hide behind it somewhat, but I
22:38
S4
don't think he's it's that relevant to him. He wants to use it,
22:44
S2
and using it is activity. One of the absolute utmost things about information sorters is they don't use it.
22:57
S2
They absolutely cannot tell the difference between a relevant piece of data and an irrelevant piece of data. And the only way you can tell the difference between a relevant piece of data to an irrelevant one is use.
23:11
S2
And use is activity. So Joe has a tremendous amount of data, but it's all for what he can do with it. So it's not information. Jeff is interested in what he can do with it, so it's not information. Calvin doesn't care about what he can do with it. He wants the data. He could go into car dealerships for quite a while and learn an awful lot of things. The only thing is he couldn't agree with the people on the data. He would tell them what the data needed to be and they would come back with the wrong data. Look at him. He
23:49
S2
was communicating data to a human being and surprised that it didn't go in correctly. So you you just this may come as a phenomenal shock to you.
24:04
S2
But you can't just kind of type it in the way you can to a database into a person.
24:13
S3
I'm finding that out.
24:21
S2
Okay. Who else? We gotta get through these little wackles here.
24:26
S0
I believe I'll still be placed with some activity.
24:31
S2
Uh-oh. Watch out. First place are around.
24:35
S2
Got any place? Talk
24:39
S2
to her, guys. Come on up front. Ask me something.
24:45
S3
It just seem different now than in the years past. When you look to your report,
24:52
S0
how Yeah. That it it seems a little different. It seems like there's a little more
25:02
S0
the trees are bigger.
25:08
S2
Even though you've grown. But you can't
25:11
S0
man of fun. Else must just change. It's pretty much the same.
25:17
S2
Place. Place. Pretty much the same place. Place sorters are really funny to me. I
25:29
S2
love it because it's not about who's there or what's there. It's just about there.
25:36
S0
Tell us about you had breakfast this morning. Where is that, like Oh.
25:45
S2
You had to be there.
25:53
S2
You get that?
25:55
S0
We went to Whataburger and had breakfast. It was
26:00
S2
Where did you go?
26:00
S0
Whataburger. Whataburger.
26:04
S2
I know. I was just having her do it all again. I
26:10
S0
never had breakfast at Whataburger before.
26:23
S2
Place is like thing after high impact.
26:29
S2
You dropped it from a really high spot, and it splatted out, and it occupied a certain space.
26:39
S2
Joe and Barbara live in Barbara's house. Do you know that?
26:44
S2
It's her place. Right? I mean, it's now both of your place.
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S2
But for Joe, it's just like an activity center.
27:08
S2
I I let him in the garage and the bedroom.
27:12
S0
Oh, no. In the kitchen.
27:14
S2
Yeah. Okay. You get place? That's place.
27:22
S2
Okay. Who's next? Activity.
27:26
S0
Activity. Tell us what you what your weekend looks like.
27:36
S0
It was really different because I had to stay home for a change for myself. And
27:43
S0
it was interesting making the choices on your own. You know, it's still making partnership. And I
27:54
S0
did things that I don't usually do, like, went out to lunch with girlfriends and
28:03
S2
That's what she calls staying home. Going going out to lunch with girlfriends. And then myself. And then I went and then, yeah, by herself. I went out to lunch with girlfriends by myself, and then I went out and played 18 holes of golf. And then I bowled, and then I went to three movies. And then I got together with some friends that I used to work with, and just stayed home all by myself.
28:29
S2
So much less than usual.
28:36
S2
Who was that? Where did she go? Okay.
28:42
S2
Talk a little more, please.
28:45
S2
Tell us a little more about last week or whatever.
28:49
S0
I was very busy. I'm very I'm very busy. A lot of activity in the office. The one who usually works with us is out, and so I've been doing a lot of work at the computer and on the telephone and
29:06
S0
finally went to the gym. Yeah. Me.
29:14
S3
And It's like activity in the thing.
29:15
S2
What do you get? Yeah. It wouldn't surprise me one little bit. Okay. Makes sense. I think we miss calculated. I think it's activity in place. She
29:32
S2
went to the gym, but the gym was a thing more than a place. And went was?
29:38
S0
Mhmm.
29:39
S2
Yeah. I I think we're accurate. I think it's activity and thing mixed. She
29:47
S2
knows when they're gonna end.
29:50
S2
So I think for Pam, the activity doesn't end. But I think there is activity, but then it ends. And then there's another activity Yeah. And it ends. And there's another activity, and it yeah. But it's not quite like that. Because for somebody whose activities are things, they're really done.
30:12
S2
That's fascinating to fit with what we know about internal, external.
30:21
S2
Wow. I turned into Cynthia when I add that to that.
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S2
The only way she can get the control is by ending the activity.
30:36
S2
You follow? Because she knows when the activity is done.
30:42
S4
Do you follow?
30:43
S2
Yeah. Remember the internal, external, what she's done and she's got those two so close together that she comes up with counterexamples. The way she expresses herself in a definite way is that the activity is done.
30:59
S2
So this
31:00
S0
And that it started.
31:01
S2
Yes.
31:02
S0
I mean, that's for me. Like, if I get up and I don't know what I'm gonna do and I don't start something, then I'm just
31:10
S2
You hear she's talking now in definites.
31:14
S2
Before she was always indefinite. Now she's you bring this program in and you get the definites. And I think that it is activity within the confines of, what what Jeff's name is Jumpstart. Cynthia's name is bookends.
31:35
S2
So this is really gonna be kind of a fun thing because she's gonna start dragging some little things out off the end. Went to the gym,
31:48
S2
and then I still it was at the gym on the way home.
31:53
S2
How would you do that?
31:56
S2
Could you still be at the gym on the way home? Sure. K.
32:02
S2
I just I'm suspecting that this is a fairly large control thing for you, the stopping of them.
32:12
S2
People's the one of these you need to learn to do. Do you have any idea why? Because
32:18
S3
we're because
32:18
S2
you want That's why. That's exactly why you build a database of distinctions regarding human beings. You watch people.
32:33
S2
Not as activities, but you watch people and get to the point where you can predict what they're gonna do next
32:42
S2
and what they just did and how they're gonna react to you.
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S2
You you build the database.
32:53
S2
It's like saying how do you find out about Jim? Well, you study Jim.
33:00
S2
It's it's not that complicated.
33:08
S2
Yeah. It isn't. Pam contacts somebody and has them come over to her house and they just sit there with each other and don't do any activities at all and find out what goes on for long periods of time with no activities, with no distractions. Activity is always a distraction. With no TV set on, with no anything, she just sits there with the person then they find out what happens. Two months later, she's still sitting there with the person. She will have learned something about the person, I suspect.
33:57
S2
So there are other avenues you can take. You can turn the activities into things if you want to, and all you'd have to do with that is close the bookends some.
34:08
S2
Then if you want to, once you've got them there, you can just spread out the base a little bit and turn them into place. Sounds like a bumper sticker, doesn't it? Spread the base, turn to place. I
34:23
S2
remember I don't know how many times you've said the word Dahlonega to me, which is a town up by us, but she says, Dahlonega.
34:38
S2
I go,
34:44
S2
It must be place.
34:49
S2
See, except Joe can just sit here and be doing activity. Look at him. He's fondling her. He's holding the microphone. He's got his legs crossed, and he's still sitting here doing things. Watch. Here's here's a paralyzed activity sorter.
35:28
S2
Still activity, ain't it?
35:36
S2
Pass for short.
35:40
S2
Here's a place sorter in jail.
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Oh, we should we should do place sorter in a straight jacket.
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S2
Here's a a people sorter with only pets.
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S2
Here's a thing sorter after a disappointing Christmas.
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S2
What else?
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S0
Information. Let
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S2
me think.
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S2
Oh, I like the information sorter in, one of those float tanks.
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S0
Sensory deprivation.
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S2
Yeah. In the sensory deprivation thing. It's like,
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S2
it's a what is it? Spontaneous combustion. It's like this.
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S3
It's a hard drive drive. It is. Somebody
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S3
from his drive.
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S2
Okay. So take about ten minutes.
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S1
Isn't that obvious what I do?
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S2
Two minutes for questions on this one before we go on to the next one.
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S0
France. Good. How do I become a people?
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S2
You have to learn about people. You have to learn about yourself.
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S2
You have to make all sorts of discoveries regarding them. You sit in a restaurant and you say, you know, I bet those two are married. And then you go up and ask them.
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S2
Whatever. I you get it. You just start to play with them because they're out there to be played with.
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And you'll discover that they wanna be.
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They're going for that.
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And I will show you all weekend about people sorting, won't I? That's what I do.
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S2
What else? The difference between information and
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thing is time.
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Thing is always in the location it's in, and information is always removed from the thing by time.
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S1
Okay. I think he's talking.
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S3
He just said it. Like
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S2
that?
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S2
I'm hot tonight.
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S2
Am I preaching or am I preaching? Karen and I turned on the TV set. There was this guy preaching, and he kept I I guess he must have been externally referenced. He kept saying, am I preaching or am I preaching? And it seems like the people thought he was giving him a choice because they would say you're preaching.
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S2
I mean, they sounded like the same thing to me. Now if he had said, am I preaching or am I preaching? That I could have understood the difference, but they were both the same. What's Judson's thing? What did he do?
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S0
Oh, Judson came into the house like he does when he's playing outside, and his shoes were full of sand. And I said, how about if we go outside and take off
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S3
your shoes?
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S0
So we went outside and sat on the porch, and I took one shoe off. And I said, oh my gosh, Justin. There's a lot of sand in your shoes. And then I took the other shoe off and poured tons of sand out. And I said, Justin, am I right or am I right? And without missing a beat, he says, I'll take the second right.
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S0
I
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S2
said something to him, and he
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S2
asked me the same question that I had just answered. And I said, what did I just say? And he said, what did I just say?
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S2
And I knew that I was in way over my head.
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S2
He got me. So what do you want these others described in relation to? Pick one.
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S2
Let's say information first. K? Information.
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S2
Thing is information stopped.
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S2
Place is where it is.
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Person is how it's stored.
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Activity is how it's expressed. Any
40:57
S2
other questions about that one quick? Karen says we shouldn't put you into groups for that one and have you play with it. She says you're equipped to play with it on your own out there. Is this accurate?
41:09
S0
Yes. Yes.
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S3
It is.
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S2
Okay. So we kinda went over the big tap on that one.
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S2
Okay? Active and passive.
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S2
Active, passive, the question is who created the universe?
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S0
I did.
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S2
That's the question. Who created the universe? I'm asking that. Did you suspect that was rhetorical? We got France's response.
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S2
Who created the universe? Do you do activity information, person, place, or thing?
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S6
Activity. K.
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S2
Who created the universe?
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S2
I'm not talking really. I'm talking as far as you're concerned.
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S1
We are. Mhmm. Yeah.
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S0
God.
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S2
Active passive passive delineates within you who set this whole thing up.
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S2
Because passive is it's already there and now there's some rearrangement to be done, but I probably could take part in the greatest past time in America which is past time which is procrastination.
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S2
So I'm I'm not gonna really arrange the thing right now, but I'll get to it. And I'm not that pleased generally with how it's organized.
42:58
S2
I think it could be a little different than how it is.
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S2
An active is,
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S2
I'm moving around just the way I want it.
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S2
And I'm gonna it's getting better all the time and it's and I'm doing it. And I'm in charge and I'm running it and I'm not gonna see any examples in which it happened to me because I'm the one directing the whole thing and I'm in charge of it and that's it. So
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S2
if you're
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S2
technically, and it doesn't play out this way, but technically, if you're passive, you're reacting. But you're reacting significantly slowly enough that it doesn't even appear to be a reaction because it's too slow.
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S2
Passive is the entrepreneur who watches soap operas while eating bonbons on the couch.
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S2
What do you do? Active or passive? In other words, did you create this whole thing or did somebody else? And are you creating it right now or is it already here?
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S2
I wanna say I'm passive.
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S0
Passive?
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S0
The glimmers are back. They're small ones.
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S2
Do you reserve the right to have it be other people's fault?
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S2
Anything be other people's fault, or is it your fault?
44:58
S6
You mean taking taking responsibility?
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S2
Sure. Is it your lack of responses that resulted in something or your responses that resulted in it?
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S2
Or is it something beyond your power or ability?
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S2
Polar maybe wouldn't surprise me moving and the next one will be different than this one. Doesn't mean I said you get a whole set, but there are glimpses that you'll get because Polaris defined herself by the ability to blame everyone
45:39
S2
relatively indiscriminately,
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S2
I think. Not recently as much as but you notice its absence.
45:51
S2
That's what you sometimes the closest you can get is noticing its absence.
45:57
S1
So, like,
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S0
oh my god. Still
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S2
primarily passive. And there are those little faint glimmers. I think you're right on in your assessment. Is that okay with you guys?
46:15
S6
I think I go between both positive, passive and negative.
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S3
Passive. Passive.
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S2
Everybody's voting passive.
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S2
Doesn't mean that that's what you wanna be, it means that you need to perceive it
46:32
S2
and look at it and look at it because remember, here's another digital one and it's fifty fifty.
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S2
And currently, you look more at the passive side than at the active side and your job implies that you should be doing the other, But that doesn't necessarily mean that you are. So it's time to explore being tremendously passive until you just can't stand it anymore and then explore the other side.
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S6
Literally being.
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S2
Literally.
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S2
Because you've been spending, I suspect, a lot of time pretending to be active while being passive.
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S0
Doing activity.
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S2
Doing activity? Yes. This has nothing to do with activity.
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S2
It's a different program. And everybody votes passive and they're accurate.
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S2
It's passive. Nothing wrong with passive. The meek shall inherit the earth. We just don't wanna be around when it happens. It's gonna be an ugly place by then.
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S2
Okay?
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S3
Passive. Done lots of activity. You know, passive.
47:49
S2
Passive to his core. Plight of his life. What could this guy do if he wasn't passive? Anything.
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S2
Being as handsome as he is, being as big as he is, being as able as he is, being as smart as he is, and passive is like he left his guts at the office. Out they come. So this one may be a relevant one for you. Did you get that implication from me?
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S2
That I didn't Yeah.
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S2
World keeps staying just far enough ahead. This is another one that has to do with speed. How much faster than you is everything moving?
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S2
If you're moving faster than it, you're active.
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S2
If you're moving slower than it, you're passive.
48:51
S2
Steve goes, what? That's passive. So this is a major rock in your stream, and it's influenced a lot of other ones.
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S2
Okay? You get it's like is the definition of it? Mhmm. Okay. Passive.
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S2
In spite of all the activity. And it's another one that
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S2
what would she be like if she ran active?
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S2
Hot stuff or what? Hard ball. Hard ball all the time with a good fast ball.
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S2
So when you get together in groups and you practice this, you two get to be in different groups
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S2
and really practice it.
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S2
Remember that whatever you're doing is a role that you took on and then you forgot that you didn't have to be that way. Do you know what he's gonna say? It's Jeff's turn. What's he gonna say? Passive.
50:05
S5
Well, in that case
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S3
He's gonna say the same thing to Joe. Passive was active in there.
50:19
S2
I would say it just slightly differently, which is I would say passive, and I like to think of myself as active. That one's still mailing you
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S2
more than it needs to.
50:38
S2
It's like, how far do you have to look for an excuse?
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S2
If you don't have to look very far at all, then you're passive. If you just can't find an excuse for whatever went on, then you're active.
50:58
S2
So the length of the excuse hunt will tell you. How quickly do you have an excuse at the office?
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S3
I said relatively quickly.
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S2
Damn fast.
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S2
You don't wait for the ripples to go out very far. You have an excuse or a story for why this happened and how come this happened.
51:23
S2
An excuse that gets you off the hook. An excuse for why you're upset now, an excuse for why it isn't working. That's passive.
51:37
S2
Passive also relates to another meta program which is past, present, future
51:46
S2
because passive tends to be past based. Kevin.
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S3
I say past it with some aggressiveness off off and on.
51:56
S2
Where did the aggressiveness come in? I'm not a therapist.
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S2
Okay.
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S3
Well, we like starting my own clinic and doing a lot of things, you know, to support us, things like that. That's pretty aggressive, I think.
52:11
S2
I didn't
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S2
it's passive or active? Oh,
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S3
passive was some
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S2
active. Didn't doubt the aggression, but it's always in response.
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S3
Generally, yes.
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S2
Always and generally don't to me fit in the same group. I hear you. I don't doubt that there are times that you think you did it.
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S2
That I don't doubt and primarily passive. K?
52:49
S1
Passive. There is at least one place in my life where I'm very comfortable being passive because it relieves me of a lot of responsibility.
52:57
S2
Is that with your cats?
52:58
S1
No. It's with my dog. Okay. And I can now recognize active people, and I find that they usually really piss me off.
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S2
Why is that?
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S1
Because I think they're somehow cheating in
53:17
S0
getting sentiments.
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S2
You get the joke? Yeah. It's just the act of birth.
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S2
Just sent her in and made her head to have to defend. That's why. Because you have to defend. And they don't care. Is there
53:34
S0
Defend her passivity?
53:36
S2
Whatever's up. Whatever they throw in her way, she's got a you've seen movies where the somebody's running away from somebody else and they, like, push a chair or push a box and the other person active person to a passive person is constantly pushing stuff in their path.
53:55
S0
Yeah.
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S2
That's the relationship that plays out there. Have you guys discerned my tolerance for passivity?
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S2
Did that kind of eke out here? It's like the one of these programs I can't stand. Because you're active? Active has I don't think so. Yeah. No. I think it's because I'm right.
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S2
Remember, active has nothing to do with activity. You can be sitting there and be active. In that case, you're creating the whole world.
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S2
As a matter of fact, it's not that unusual to find passive people who sort for activity and they're doing stuff all the time and it's always defensive. We're back to and they're forced into it. I'm not saying I won't raise my tolerance for it here, but I want you to be able to do both because there are times when being passive is very useful. I can't think of one.
55:15
S2
Can
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S6
you give us an example of somebody active and what they're doing?
55:24
S2
Active and what they're doing. What
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S6
As far as changing the world and creating their own world?
55:32
S1
The person at work, you think, is a brown nose.
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S1
Is an active person. The person who's working their way up the corporate ladder by going and talking to people and making sure that their presence is now
55:42
S2
Kicking butt all the way up.
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S2
Period.
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S2
The entrepreneur who says, this is what we're doing.
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S2
I don't care. And they fail how many times? That's not relevant because they're still creating, and they don't even think they failed. Doesn't matter how many times they went bankrupt. They still don't think they failed because they're still it's it's still in play. Come on.
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S2
Passive and you wish it was active.
56:20
S0
I would pray every day
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S1
for it to be active.
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S2
Yes. And then wait.
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S0
She would be
56:30
S2
Yeah. Who would you pray to?
56:40
S0
Until that exchange with Robert, I would have thought that I was active most of the time, but passing when it was really, like, a deep emotional situation. Somebody dying, something that really just deeply emotional. K.
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S2
What did she do?
56:57
S0
Passive. Passive.
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S2
I think active. I think active, inactive, inactive, inactive. And yet she doesn't say
57:12
S0
Out of my way.
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S2
Look at me out of my way. She says, it's my way. My
57:19
S0
way is your way. This is the way.
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S2
I I get active and active and active over and over and over again there with no passive elements whatsoever. This isn't about what you do. It's about a philosophical underpinning of what goes on there. This is the basic philosophy
57:46
S2
is do you think it's over there or do you think it's over here? It's where's the party? Do you think you're going to the party or do you think you are the party?
57:58
S2
If you're going to the party, do you find out how it is or do you make up how it is?
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S2
See, if I'm going to the party, I'm never gonna say it was a lousy party because guess what?
58:13
S3
I am the party.
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S2
I am the party.
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S2
And she is the party. You get it? Mhmm. She's a self contained party mammal.
58:30
S0
But I still have experience blaming in those kinds of.
58:36
S2
Oh, you can still blame them. What the heck?
58:40
S2
Except it doesn't get her off the hook. You get it? You you watch her right now. It still doesn't get her off the hook. But the passive person goes, it's you. It isn't me. And you go, it's out there. I can't do anything about it, and I wanna be able she's even active about that.
59:06
S0
And how active is she being about finding
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S2
Right now. You see it? Has she dropped the ball once here? Not once. The passive person drops the ball over and over again. Find they learn a lot about bouncing.
59:23
S2
She's not dropping it. So part of the active passive is how often do you have to go away?
59:32
S2
You understand?
59:35
S2
How often are you forced away from whatever you were holding on to even in your focus of attention? How often do you have to leave and go somewhere else and then come back? We're talking fractions of a second now. Passivity lives in those little fractions of a second. How often when you're listening to somebody do you have to go in and check yourself out and then come back?
1:00:04
S2
Because at a certain number, it crosses over into passivity, a specific number. But these are big numbers. You follow?
1:00:16
S0
Okay. Because I checked out.
1:00:22
S2
Sorry. No one answering in that room. That's it.
1:00:30
S2
So when Pam and Sharon came up in front of the room in the IC course and their job was to conduct a corporate sales training, I never would have quit. Would have tried a thing after I would have tried everything and never quit and kept going and going and playing at it and dancing at it. You guys went, ugh. And you tried your best and you stuck with it the best that you could. But at a certain point, you were operating on top of it's not working, and it's not gonna work. At that she doesn't say it's not gonna work.
1:01:12
S0
I'll find out a way to make it work.
1:01:17
S3
I know. Okay.
1:01:18
S2
You get it? There it is. I will find out a way to make it work.
1:01:29
S2
Passive. It's a pisser, isn't it? Yeah.
1:01:36
S2
Doesn't mean he doesn't run a business and have employees and all of that stuff. Doesn't mean he doesn't get a lot done. Doesn't mean he doesn't contribute to a lot of people because he does all those things.
1:01:48
S2
And what I'm telling you isn't that there's something wrong with passive, it just makes everything harder.
1:01:57
S2
It just makes everything more difficult. It doesn't mean you can't do it. You can do anything that an active person can. It's just that you undercut yourself on the way there. The results are the same. The results are exactly the same,
1:02:17
S2
but the absolute delight or confidence or think think about it this way. K? You got a person who's an existentialist, and the one of the underpinnings I think of this is that they think that when they die, they go into the ground and they
1:02:40
S2
rot and their soil and that's it. And that's all. There's nothing more.
1:02:48
S2
True? I mean, that's and then you got the person who believes in reincarnation. They're coming back.
1:02:58
S2
Okay? I'm coming back. I don't know what I'm coming at, but I I'll be back. You don't have to worry about it. I'll be back again and again and again and again till I don't wanna come back anymore. Now take those two basic philosophies and squeeze them into a second.
1:03:17
S2
The passive person has a one second existential philosophy. The active person has a one second reincarnation philosophy. In the next second, I'm gonna be born again. That's the active. And the passive is
1:03:36
S1
what? Resurrects.
1:03:38
S2
Yes. Jubilee.
1:03:40
S0
Yes.
1:03:44
S0
Man, the more you talk, the more uncertain I get. But I I think I'm active. I never I don't blame any. It's always my responsibility to make it happen, to to make it up. And I think the problem with it comes in because of that internal, external conflict that goes on. It makes it since I can't find a place to stand, it's hard to know what to create.
1:04:10
S0
But Pass out.
1:04:17
S2
Thou doth protest too much.
1:04:21
S2
It's it's always my fault. I can't help it. Here's another one. How long do you celebrate
1:04:30
S2
a victory and how long do you mourn over a defeat? The ratio of those two will let you know active passive.
1:04:41
S2
Because if those two aren't at least equal, if you mourn over a defeat longer, you're going to the passive side.
1:04:50
S2
And you see her, Cynthia is sitting here and she wants to be active. And she thinks that active is the better of the two. And it's not the better of the two, but it is the easier of the two.
1:05:04
S2
And I know active people who are some of the biggest idiots in the world because they've got this huge thing about how everything they're doing and all of this stuff, you mix that in with some good strong self or switch
1:05:21
S2
and some heavy duty internal, and you got somebody who has such
1:05:28
S2
rapist sort of confidence backed up by no confidence at all. That's where passive comes in. Very often, the passive people have the confidence. They don't necessarily have the confidence to tackle it, but they have the confidence to do things. They just don't think they do. So very often, they have set up an environment that is harder to work in and they've gotten stronger by being in that environment. The problem is they tend to then continue to produce that environment harder to work in.
1:06:08
S6
So
1:06:09
S2
it's like it's like they're ready to bat, and they've just been swinging two bats. You know how they do that in baseball? Sometimes they swing two bats, and then when they get one bat, it's a relief. The passive person is the one who practices with two bats and then goes up to the plate and uses three.
1:06:35
S2
Shucks. I thought I got it around. It must be the damn bats.
1:06:42
S2
Or maybe I didn't know. This is what the passive person says. They say, you know, I didn't practice enough.
1:06:49
S3
Mhmm.
1:06:49
S2
So they practice more. Ouch.
1:06:57
S2
Active people need to learn to run passive, and passive people need to learn to run active. Otherwise, some active person is gonna run into some passive environment and they're in trouble. You gotta be able to run either one. Like all of the rest of them, you gotta be able to run either one. Otherwise, you're gonna keep
1:07:23
S2
here's where active doesn't work. You get in a relationship and you go, I'm gonna make it work. That's in the first week. Thirty years later, you're saying, I know I can have this sucker work. I know I can. And it hasn't worked for thirty years. And they're still going after it. And at a certain point, you gotta say, pull it to the side of the road and shoot it.
1:07:51
S2
Come on. What does she do?
1:07:55
S0
I do active, and I'm not really curious about what passive is like because part of my active or this
1:08:04
S2
It saved your life too many times. It saved your life too many times.
1:08:11
S2
Too much is rested on it. Given the other patterns that are in there, activists had to carry a lot.
1:08:22
S2
See, a passive person Understand. A passive person would be 80 if they were her size. An active person would be five pounds overweight.
1:08:34
S2
I'm only five pounds away from the right weight. That's active. The passive person, you know, standing there at ninety eight pounds and they say I have to lose 15 pounds and life won't really work very well until I do. That's what I say.
1:08:55
S2
The passive person is never the right weight.
1:08:59
S2
The active person is approaching the right weight any minute.
1:09:06
S2
They could be huge.
1:09:09
S2
God, it won't be long. It's only taken me forty years to put this on. I could take it off certainly by next Tuesday.
1:09:21
S2
Easily by next Tuesday. Not a problem. Jenny Craig loves the active people,
1:09:27
S2
but she also loves the passive people because the passive people are the wrong way all the time. But the active people always know the program's gonna work.
1:09:41
S3
Good luck.
1:09:42
S2
She's got them both. You
1:09:46
S2
don't get active here, and you don't get passive there.
1:09:50
S1
It just doesn't seem like it just doesn't seem like their other patterns can sustain can sustain it.
1:09:57
S2
This is how they look when those other patterns sustain it. Do you understand what I said? They look like they've been in a war compared to how they could look.
1:10:11
S2
Cynthia is very hard on herself. And So Cynthia was a dawn. So is Zoe. Well, she's hard on herself because her other patterns can't sustain this. What she needed where she is is active. And what she needed to go with her other patterns was passive. So what she's done what Zoe's done is put so much pressure on active to carry the other patterns along, to carry the, non knowledgeable information sort along, to carry the internal, external confusion thing along. This boy's resigned. That's passive.
1:10:55
S1
But there's there's nothing else there but him. If he's both self and internal, how could it be created anywhere else?
1:11:05
S2
It's it requires a sense of humor to get it, so you'd have to get one.
1:11:16
S2
Do
1:11:19
S2
you understand what I'm saying?
1:11:23
S2
To have somebody have to resolve that in this lifetime is either tragic or funny.
1:11:32
S2
And you're gonna lean toward tragic because you're passive. Right. And I'm gonna lean toward funny because I'm active.
1:11:38
S0
Okay.
1:11:41
S2
That's a lot to resolve. But the neat thing is that if he gets going and he gets practicing and if she gets going and gets practicing, they're gonna get a whole new set.
1:11:55
S2
There. They're gonna get a whole new set. Each of you is gonna get a whole new set and you're gonna go, God, I like this. I don't like that. I do what is this? Oh my God. And you're only gonna get the set that you're ready for. It's beautiful.
1:12:15
S2
That's the set you'll get. It's the one you're ready for and don't think you're ready for.